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I learned how incredibly biased social media is against Israel.
"Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the good guys"
The same Hamas that murdered over 200 young people at a concert on Oct 7 2023? And paraded the dead body of a woman like a hunting trophy. The one thing that Hamas is NOT is "the good guys". They are utterly amoral Islamic supremacists.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_supremacy
[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...
[2] Weizmann, quoted by Arthur Ruppin in: Yosef Heller, Bama'avak Lamedinah , Jerusalem, 1984, p.140.
You’re talking about the guy who moved the US embassy into contested territory essentially justifying Israel’s expansion? Something no previous president would even consider because they knew it would result in an escalation in the region and set peace talks back even further? That’s the guy you think is looking out for Palestinians?
This is a pretty shortsighted perspective. At least wait 4 more years :).
There is no lesser of two evils. We don't get to vote on the war machine
Hamas kidnapped and tortured innocent civilians, and has help them in captivity for `~18 months, and you think they are the good guys? There are no good guys.
It’s very white-Eurocentric to think of Hamas as the bad guys. The vast majority of the Mideast don’t believr they are
Or do you believe it is acceptable to have a festival next to a concentration camp? The same concentration camp where a few years earlier guards sniped and killed over 200 unarmed civilians from three other side of the fence while video taping and celebrating them being killed and posting on social media said videos.
Was the second “guys” supposed to have an adjective attached to it?
But no matter; the parent comment was updated and they clarified their opinion by adding “good”.
How exactly does killing over 200 people at a concert and parading the body of a woman like a hunting trophy and killing the parents of a 6 month old baby and then abducting that baby accomplish this?
Let's be clear here: The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband. Hamas deliberately targets civilians and always has, murdering them in cafes, shuls, buses, community centers and hotels around the world .
You're even labelling IDF soldiers as "civilians" and including the IDF's kill count of its own people in there.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-ma...
>The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband
"May have" is the understatement of the century, the modus operandi of the IDF is based on warcrimes that amounted to Genocide[1]. And the notion that the IDF supposedly doesn't intentionally target civilians is pure denial: "The Biden administration has quietly continued to supply arms to Israel. Last week, however, President Joe Biden publicly acknowledged that Israel was losing international legitimacy for what he called its “indiscriminate bombing.”[2], "Israel/OPT: New evidence of unlawful Israeli attacks in Gaza causing mass civilian casualties amid real risk of genocide"[3] "Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza"[4]
This is only a fraction of the evidence proving that Israel targets civilians intentionally and most of these are from months ago. Israel's brazen murder of civilians became even more unhinged after that.
[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...
[2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-military-campaign...
[3] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-ne...
[4] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evide...
They have deliberately targeted hospitals without evidence, destroyed 2/3rds !! Of all buildings, residential or not, displaced nearly the entire population, block much of the incoming aid, have a terrible record with regard to torture and abuse of the hostages they take, have killed clearly marked journalists, have permanently settled Palestinian land and so on and so on. To the point that Holocaust Scholars and Humanitarian Organizations are willing to call the entire thing a Genocide.
Do you remember when the IDF shot their own hostages, unarmed, carrying a white flag, because they thought they were Palestinian? They do not care about civilian lives any more than militant ones.
source?
>Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys
Are you missing a word here? Or is this intentional?
Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and that’s before a year of live-streamed genocide. (Fixed missing word)
"Note: The Intercept reported that Anat Schwartz had "extensive conversations" with ZAKA members such as Yossi Landau, whom she relied on for accounts of bodies of women claimed to have been found with signs of sexual violence. The Intercept adds that ZAKA and Landau have been documented to have mishandled evidence and spread multiple false stories about the events of October 7, including debunked allegations of Hamas operatives beheading babies and cutting the fetus from a pregnant woman's body, and that its workers are not trained forensic scientists or crime scene experts, but that these shortcomings are not mentioned by the NYT article."
[1] https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schw...
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-...
"The UN's special representative on conflict-related sexual violence asked to investigate Hamas' alleged crimes on October 7 and towards the hostages, but Israel refused her request to access Israeli detention facilities to examine claims of IDF abuse. Israeli women's rights groups warn this could lead to Israel, instead of Hamas, being added to the UN's sexual violence blacklist" [1]
The UN envoy also stated in its report they did not and could not collect any forensic evidence due to the lack of Israel's cooperation. "In the more than 5,000 photos and around fifty hours of footage from the attacks that the mission team reviewed, “no digital evidence specifically depicting acts of sexual violence was found.” Further, “no tangible indications of rape could be identified” in digital analyses of corpses by the mission team." [2]
There is however forensic evidence and video footage of israelis raping[3] Palestinians: "After the Haaretz report of dozens of deaths, there was no new comment. Later that same week in June, the New York Times published an investigation into the conditions at Sde Teiman, which contained testimony from former prisoners that their Israeli jailors had tortured them with anal rape by a metal rod, among other abuses."
[1] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-08/ty-article/.p...
[2] https://progressive.org/op-eds/what-did-the-un-report-on-sex...
[3] https://theintercept.com/2024/08/09/israel-prison-sde-teiman...
Are you talking about Anat Schwartz? Based on her wikipedia article she served in the "Israeli Air Force intelligence division" at some point, but not when she wrote the article. I guess this technically counts as "literal IDF intelligence agent", but is at least somewhat misleading. You wouldn't call American journalist in his 40s "a Marine", just because he did a tour of duty in his 20s.
> Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF.
Same issue as above.
>Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and that’s before a year of live-streamed genocide
This isn't the same as "Hamas are the good guys". Specifically, not every conflict must have a "good guy" and a "bad guy". I don't support US's invasion of Iraq, but that doesn't make Saddam Hussein the good guy. Likewise, me thinking Saddam Hussein is a tyrant doesn't make the US the good guy for invading Iraq.
The "Israeli Air Force intelligence division" is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Intelligence_Group
It's not exactly known as a propaganda center or something.
20% of the population is exempt, unless you are saying Arab Israelis aren't Israeli. More including many orthodox were also exempt up until mid 2024.
The group that kidnapped, murdered, and tortured a bunch of kids at a music festival? That Hamas? The “good guys”?!
Random examples of CNN Arab reporters on the topic:
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/irene-nasser
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/jomana-karadsheh
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/13/europe/us-israel-aid-gaza-ins...
There is no way more American Jewish teens support Hamas than Israel. Your "unbiased" media seized on to one question of this survey: https://mosaicunited.org/mosaic-teen-israel-survey-antisemit...
Where even this "sympathy" question definitely does not agree with what you're saying.
There are also no polls showing people saying Israel are the bad guys. e.g. in the US: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/10/01/slight-up...
This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much.
Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.
Which is not to say I trust Trump. Afaik he's a fanatic Israel supporter. We'll have to wait and see what happens to pass any judgement on this.
Even after losing an election, the Biden admin worked until the last minute instead of inciting a riot and rage-quitting a war (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10...).
With which I am not saying at all that Trump did better- we have no clue of what his plans are, beyond obtaining some apparent win, and what he gave to Israel in return.
Just to add more context to this:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/11/biden-israel-pa...
There is no way for someone to pay attention to the Biden administration over the last year and come away with the impression that they were actually trying. Every single (rare) time they pretended to draw a line Israel violated it blatantly and Biden just ignored it. They weren't even credibly pretending to try.
But Biden did not get that ceasefire. He's been a disaster
This ceasefire is directly due to Trump's pressure on Netanyahu. Trump's envoy went to Doha and made this happen: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan...
This is the actual reality
No. That is your opinion.
Biden and Middle East administrations had similar meetings for over a year now.
Unless we have a quote directly from the Netanyahu administration it's all just conjecture.
This war happened under Biden with the first ceasefire deal being rejected which that prolonged the war until the Democrats lost the election to Trump.
Under his presidency, he failed to prevent this war and failed to stop the Russia-Ukraine war from happening only which is why he lost a second term.
Had he or Harris won the election, this war would be still going on today.
please stop being a rage baiting troll. the war lasted for 15 months, but ended when there is 5 days left for Trump's inauguration.
Microsoft employees get fired for calling for a ceasefire meanwhile their Israeli counterparts get to gloat about continued slaughter of children with a mere investigation, in Apple, they provide extra support for employees doing time for the IDF while Palestinian employees get fired and Muslim support slack channels get shut down.
Unfortunately, the Contrarian Club in the tech industry is yet to reckon with the pernicious AA program for zionists meanwhile bleating about the joke of meritocracy and crying about H1Bs.
Sad.