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Huh, how? Why would someone have a vehicle with someone else's internet connected camera inside?

a lot of modern automatic driving stuff has cameras to track your eyes, and I think for built in dashcam stuff maybe?

and if it's in the car it's Internet connected now.

I don't think it occurs to the average person that when you buy a vehicle, some parts of it might still be "someone else's".

Why would society not mandate cameras to make sure the operators of thousands of kilograms of metal at high speeds are paying attention to the road instead of their phone? And to be able to punish them if they are not.

Assuming pedestrian and children’s safety is a priority.

That can and should be done without phoning home. It's the invasion of privacy that's the issue, not the safety feature itself.

That’s true, as long as the footage is saved to a device that is not tamper-able.

> Assuming pedestrian and children’s safety is a priority.

It really isn’t a priority (in the US anyhow) otherwise we’d have far more and far better public transportation.

For the same reason you don't wear remotely controlled collar on your neck that paralyzes you in case you're doing something dangerous.

A recording of whether or not a driver is distracted driving to be able to prove it is not analogous to a collar that paralyzes someone.

I don't see any difference. You can and will do harm and we just want to prevent it. The collar goes in different styles and colors, you'll love it.

I guess being permanently paralyzed because someone rams into you because they were checking their texts or TikTok is not harm, but a video recording of someone not paying attention to the road is harm.

Did you just float "won't someone think of the children?"

Why wouldn’t I think of children?

Isn’t one of the most common ruminations of modern society that children cannot roam freely due to excess risk of being hurt or killed by a distracted driver?

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/these-vehicles-may-pose...

>IIHS says pedestrian crash deaths have risen 80% since hitting their low in 2009. The statistics show that 2021 was almost as deadly to people on foot as last year. Nearly 7,400 walkers — more than 20 people a day — lost their lives in 2021 after being struck by a vehicle.

Airline pilots get recorded, why shouldn’t drivers?

> Airline pilots get recorded, why shouldn’t drivers?

AFAIK, general aviation pilots are not recorded. Black boxes are only a thing in commercial aviation, so a more appropriate analogy would be the recording of bus or semi-truck drivers.

There is far less moral hazard as a general aviation pilot because death/grave injury is far more likely in an airplane collision, whereas a personal vehicle driver is relatively safe, especially in vehicles most dangerous to others

Regardless, what is and is not required of all pilots is beside the point. The point is society implements a safety/accountability measure to prevent x rate of injuries/deaths…but society does not implement the same safety/accountability measure to prevent y rate of injuries/deaths where y is far greater than x.

The discrepancy is because it is politically unpopular to hold the people causing the larger rate of injury accountable (voters who drive personal cars), whereas it is politically popular to hold the people causing a smaller rate of injury accountable (commercial pilots).

>> "won't someone think of the children?"

> Why wouldn’t I think of children?

The g-parent describes a narrative that is designed to seed an untrue notion that no one is thinking of the children.

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