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What about people who work for a living making service calls who can make twice as many because they don't sit in traffic as long? What about poor people who may choose to carpool to save money but who get an extra hour of leisure time each day to spend with their kids?

Meanwhile, if slightly wealthier people end up riding the subway, that will help a bit with public safety -- I lived in NYC a few years ago and never felt remotely in danger on the subway any time of day or night.

You know what’s more unsafe in than the subway in NYC? Walking across a road in NYC.

You sound like you don’t live in the area.

> All congestion pricing does is dissuade people from driving

That is true. And that is the point. Well, it also dissuades people from driving at specific times to even out traffic.

> Subways are terrible and highly unsafe.

Is this really true? Unsafe compared to what? To driving?

> Do you think your average Wall St Bros and White women are going to take subway just because there is congestion pricing?

I'd imagine everyone gets from a to b the quickest they can, regardless of income. No one would do 1h in a taxi if 20 minutes on a subway does it, even to Wall Street.

I’m a wall st bro and I work with a lot of other wall st bros. We all use the subway to get to our job in manhattan.

Either you are lying or not good enough to drive car. What about White women? Are they going to take "subway" because there is congestion pricing?

YOU are naive or in for big surprise.

You are absolutely wrong. Do you even work in Manhattan? If you stand outside Fulton St. or Wall St. stations at 8:30am you’ll see that the vast majority of “Wall St. Bros” take the subway to work.

I’ve worked in the World Trade Center for 5 years now and I don’t recall any coworkers who drive to work.

Oh vey! YOU don't know what you are talking about. You are average investment Bankie who claims to make dollars.

Your response is emotional and not practical. Tell me how Congestion Pricing is not a tax on poor and does not take away their hard earned money for no reason? Does it not comfort for rich people who make money on stocks mostly?

Why are poor people who own a car and can pay for parking driving into Manhattan often? Does your premise even make sense?

Because they have a job, dummy. Are you for real?

Subways are not safe and it is terrible to go by subway when you can travel with car everywhere.

If you make $120k in NYC supporting a family of 3 (husband, wife, 1 kid), you are left with almost $1k with extremely tight budget. Now, $9 a day will cost you (22 days * 9 * 11 month) = $2,198.

Not everyone values time. Poor people, lower middle class and middle class need money and food on the table and not additional expense out of pocket for comfort of upper middle class and rich people.

Upper middle class and rich people value time because that is the only thing they can optimize. Money is imaginary and can't do better beyond certain level (think $2 MM Net worth).

America NYC is now so arrogant that it is making roads exclusive for people who make lots of money (>$150k).

Subways are very safe, you obviously don't live or have spent much time in NYC. Millions of people ride them daily. Office workers making $$$, teens, everybody.

Driving is likely less safe. And you still didn't tell me why somebody is driving into Manhattan below 60th st, 5 times a week. To commute? What type of job would it be?

A woman was set on fire by illegal alien. What are you talking about Subway being safe? Obviously you do not care because woman was not from Privilege race aka White. There have been hundreds of deaths for no reason where people were pushed on the Subway. I don't (and won't) post gore but look it up. It is horrifying.

You are the one who do not live or travel within NYC.

Why go below 60th? Because they want to be in the office or have some work to do? Why there are millions of parking

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