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The mentally ill having functioning health insurance to get proper treatment, support and medication could also be a solution.

I also think that your second point that paraphrases to "don't bite the hand that slaps you because it might slap harder" is not good advice.

Your theory would be valid if there were no mentally ill people in those European countries which offer good access to healthcare. Just google "Magdeburg attack", if you want a recent and very good example for this.

It’s not like mental health is going super well in European countries either

Germany [1]: > The average waiting time from the initial consultation to the start of therapy is 142.4 days.

[1]: https://www.bptk.de/pressemitteilungen/psychisch-kranke-wart... (German article)

I don't think any solution will be perfect at eliminating all crime, ever. A statement doesn't have to be all or nothing to be valid, and I might also just be completely wrong. That being said it seems like a good thing, for my definition of good, to help the mentally ill.

Sure, but in that spirit you then wouldn't need to mention that healthcare access would help. There will always be those crazy enough who will not make use of access to healthcare but prefer to make a plan on how to "seek proper justice on their own", which is what OP was referring to. The inhibition of that signaling is then a more adequate solution and should be part of the repertoire (as well as offering good healthcare).

> health insurance to get proper treatment, support and medication

Health insurance is mis-named: it is not a health care product meant to provide health care; it is a financial product, meant to smooth the cost of health care. It should probably be called health care cost insurance.

Providing the indigent with health care is a different thing from health insurance. Mandating that the mentally ill receive treatment is a different thing from health insurance.

Health insurance is just that: insurance against a financial catastrophe.

It's pretty common to read of mass shooters that they were in therapy and/or on psychiatric medication.

It seems like an ounce of prevention is worth several tons of cure. We don't really have good treatments.

The murder of Brian Thompson has been such a mask-off moment for the left. This comment is a perfect example. One can't even suggest, in a neutral way, that political violence is bad without a left wing nutjob showing up to suggest that you're not giving political violence a fair shake!

It's funny that on this forum I'm both called a neolib and a left wing nutjob from time to time depending on who gets triggered. Something to be proud of.

It's not much but I guess a nutjob has to take what he can get.

Removed: I misunderstood what GP was referring to.

> What about ostensible threats against CEOs and other powerful people being used as a pretext to give them special protection by the state, and corresponding encroachment on the liberties of others? Could this elevate a fascist overclass even more?

Here's the quote, readers can decide for themselves.

You don't have to signal to the mentally ill, they believe whatever they believe, you're not changing that one way or the other.

Somebody that is suffering from paranoia doesn't get triggered by reading about some surveillance program, they get triggered because they see a single package or their favorite brand of chocolate in their dairy aisle and the only explanation they can come up with is that somebody put it there for them to find it.

> militant mentally ill

Hey, those guys vote.

What happens to Q-Anon and all those militia guys now? Especially if Trump pardons the Jan 6th leaders.

Look up ‘Susan Rosenberg’.

They go on to teach at John Jay College?

Or Bill Ayers. Or Oscar Lopez Rivera.

She was left-wing, hence the different treatment.

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