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Ok, maybe I still don’t agree with arresting her, but I feel like maybe the headline should actually point out she said “ you people are next”. Which seems the more threatening part of the threat.

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I agree that part of the quote is critical. That said, I assert that an arrest and $100k bond is a sharp overreaction against someone who objectively poses no actual threat.

For story context, I'll add that Lakeland is in Polk county, the domain of Sheriff Grady Judd. Polk is notorious for performative law enforcement and prosecution. To that, Lakeland police dept adds it's own rich history of over-enforcement.

> ... a sharp overreaction against someone who objectively poses no actual threat.

Objectively no threat? How do you know? From the article? I didn't see an objective threat assessment in there.

How do you know with enough certainty to bet someone's life on it? Did the other guy pose an actual threat before he caught a bus to New York?

Given what just happened - and, as the sheriff mentioned, how the country has reacted - the default response is not to assume that there is no threat. I'm not sure that it should be.

Guess that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence is just out the window then. Also I guess all the response to actually gross and scary death threats online is good history for how- wait, what's that? Nobody does anything about those? Yet this lady has been arrested? Huh, how odd.

She represents the potential of an endemic threat to capitalism, so of course the state has to make an example of her to the rest of the proles.

> She represents the potential of an endemic threat to capitalism, so of course the state has to make an example of her to the rest of the proles.

Is the state going to implement gun control? Mental healthcare? Any sort of healthcare reform? Unlikely, and all the real threats to capitalism (scoped to healthcare as an industry).

Bernie Sanders has been arguing for universal healthcare for 35 years to no results, while Luigi Mangione proved a point: that violence can work. The people with decision making capabilities on this topic ignore the data because they can, because "what are you going to do about it?", but they cannot ignore the violence as it puts them at real risk. And they are, for once in a long time, scared now that this information is being broadly socialized.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/02/20/lancet-me... ("A single-payer health-care system would save more than 68,000 lives and $450 billion a year, new research shows")

(i do not condone violence, I am observing actions and outcomes, potential and realized)

> Bernie Sanders has been arguing for universal healthcare for 35 years to no results, while Luigi Mangione proved a point: that violence can work.

Oh, it worked? Why do you say that? Did you get your universal healthcare?

This is a simple question and perspective for a notoriously complex topic and public policy issue, so it is not possible to provide a simple or binary answer. The CEO of UnitedHealth group wrote an op ed in the New York Times publicly stating that the healthcare system is flawed, and there is potential for action based on the potential for further harm being incurred. The alternative was business as usual while the failed system continues to grind the American people into dust. This event was a catalyst for a dialog that is unlikely to have occurred otherwise.

I would agree whether actual, positive system change occurs and the second order effects from that outcome are yet to be seen. If these lead to a successful outcome at scale, you could potentially take the view that the CEO who perished lost their life to fix a failing system causing harm to millions, loss of life to tens of thousands, and hundreds of billions of dollars of waste annually. Many of us perish without accomplishing anything near that magnitude.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-group-leader-ceo-m... ("UnitedHealth Group leader breaks silence on CEO murder, says health care system is flawed")

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/opinion/united-health-car... ("UnitedHealth Group C.E.O.: The Health Care System Is Flawed. Let’s Fix It.")

https://www.newsweek.com/conservatives-liberals-find-rare-ag... ("Conservatives and Liberals Find Rare Agreement Amid Insurance CEO Killing")

>Is the state going to implement gun control? Mental healthcare? Any sort of healthcare reform? Unlikely, and all the real threats to capitalism.

Yeah, none of those are ever going to happen to any significant degree in the US, so they aren't worth worrying about. But Americans do love shooting people. If they stopped shooting one another, discovered class consciousness and solidarity and started shooting capitalists it would become a problem.

I don't know what is going to happen next, but social volatility is high, making predictions unreliable. The fundamentals are not favorable to positive outcomes, imho.

(a component of my professional experience is risk management and assessment)

The state of FL and Polk co are certainly on the same page there.

Not all FL counties are like that. Mine is pretty reasonable. Polk is not; it's a place I avoid.

next in line, "i have it the 3D printer and no fear to use it"

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