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Based on the Gemini release it’s hard to take what Google claims at face value.

Their Alpha* work from DeepMind is actually quite good and has a good track record. LLM/Gemini - yeah, what you said, I wouldn't trust a word their team says.

Google's work on Alphafold produced a Nobel prize.

Aside from the fact you're conflating two very different things comparing this to Gemini, what exactly is the problem with the Gemini?

Specifically just that the release was a bit awkward and had some problems? I've found the latest model releases to be very good compared to other frontier models.

Probably a reference to when Google was widely perceived to rush out the first Gemini release, neglecting to mention it did lots of weird racist stuff.

Totally different constraints. It’s like saying Nobel prize winning physicists can’t be trusted because they get basic arithmetic wrong

Gemini is fast food - it’s not supposed to be the best.

A Nobel physicist that couldn't do basic arithmetic would definitely raise my eyebrows, but even taking your analogy at face value Gemini was not marketed as fast food slop. Google can't be trusted to hype products in a reliable way, regardless of their technical details.

Well, I'm not going to name names, but let's just say I've met O(10) Nobel laureates in physics and at least one was terrible at arithmetic.

what about Google's flu prediction model release?

https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/pcph-blog/2018/01/23/google-flu-tren...

Your analogy doesn't make sense.

Nobel winning physicists can definitely perform arithmetic.

It's trendy for accomplished people to talk down about themselves as a way to sound cute. It's similar to software developers who like to say "I don't know what I'm doing, I just Google and Stackoverflow all day." It has a certain charm to it, and certainly there are some people for whom it's true, but overall it's just a misguided attempt at being modest but ultimately a horribly misleading statement.

"Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I assure you that mine are greater" - Albert Einstein

I didn’t say they can’t perform it. I’ve seen a laureate get plenty of trival math wrong. It doesn’t matter.

what did Google claim about Gemini?

They released the work as open source to Github. I guess you could validate their findings?

Almost as bad as stuff branded IBM Watson for over promising

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