One of the last Navajo code-talkers died on October 19th, aged 107
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The Germans (and Swiss...) for the most part imprisoned / shot PoWs.
The Japanese used PoWs for chemical and biological weapon testing and vivisection, and they would find the most depraved ways to draw out mass torture of PoWs.
For example, they would do things like put US soldiers into baskets so small PoWs could not move at all inside them, load them into unventilated railroad boxcars with no water, then load them into ships, sail out to sea, and drop them overboard into shark-infested waters.
Then there's the Nanjing Massacre where in a matter of days Japanese soldiers slaughtered something like 300,000 Chinese civilians at a rate of around 7,000 civilians a day. That was just one of the more than a dozen massacres. It's widely believed that Japan slaughtered more civilians than the Germans.
The sheer level of depravity is astounding. And what's especially disturbing are the lengths conservatives in the Japanese government have gone to over the last several decades to rewrite history and erase these atrocities, while pushing harder and harder against the restrictions on their armed forces.
And in Bluebird and Artichoke the US directly continued that work, and not in some kind of "generic spirit" way, but in literal extensions of existing programs using people gathered via Paperclip. And in Korea the US used bioweapons developed by the Japanese during a retreat in late 1952.
The Japanese were indeed horrible during the war. The take that the Germans and the US treatment of "expendable" humans during and after these wars was somehow more justified or less horrific is a uniquely horrible and ahistorical take.
Also - the Soviet PoWs in the camps would like to have a word with you.
Anything else could be seen as helping one side or the other, which wouldn't be very neutral. Not that they were always above helping them in non-military ways
If anyone's looking to build a startup in aviation, try building an alternative to pitot tubes. It's pretty much the last remaining vacuum instrument that hasn't been replaced by a solid state/MEMS alternative. And vacuum instruments are about as reliable as Windows Vista.
For example, the tragedy of Air France Flight 447.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
> dead reckoning
LORAN was invented in WW2 and was seen then as one of the big advancements of the war.
But those sneaky British pilots kept "escaping" from the Curragh where they were interned.
And I doubt they shot them.
This is the first time I’m hearing this as a Swiss.
But I know that German planes ended up in the Swiss airspace. The Swiss told them to land (like "we will now escort you and you will land on our soil, and if you don't comply we shoot you down"). They refused and got shot down.
But it's very different from shooting a pilot that would be in a state of PoW.
Granted, by the last weeks of the war, the USAAF was dropping leaflets warning they'd be back with incendiaries in a few days, a masterstroke in psychological warfare.
In Japanese culture at the time the sins of the father are inherited by the sons and daughters. If you surrendered you would be dooming your entire family to a life of poverty and shame. To most decent people that would be worse than death.
The Nazis fought to the bitter end because they knew that unconditional surrender meant there would be hell to pay. And there was.
This played a big part in the attitude of do it right this time.
The exact opposite lesson was in fact learned by the Allies from WWI: instead of crippling Germany and the other Axis powers like the French did after WWI, they went with the Marshall plan, rebuilding their economies and making sure they have an actual future.
The Kaiser wasn't the problem after WWI, it was poverty that allowed the Nazis to rise to power.
This isn't really true. Hindenburg was instrumental in Hitler's rise to power. Ludendorff was the de facto dictator during WWI and proceeded to create the stab-in-the-back myth and to fight for the Nazis. There is absolutely lots of continuity between the WWI regime and the Nazis.
Over the next two or three years these orders were one-by-one rescinded and reversed, mostly for national security reasons when the Soviet threat was acknowledged and Germany's role in countering that Soviet threat was understood. But even then, in the end only a small portion of the Marshall plan went to West Germany. Most of it went to the rest of western Europe.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Potsdam_far-right_meeting...
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Potsdam_far-right_meeting...
Sorry, but that's utter bullshit. Also, I wonder how you feel about Turkey's plans to remigrate Syrian refugees back to Syria now that Assad has been deposed.
I don't support any forced relocation of groups of people and find even very long prison sentences debatable. I'm also a big proponent of forcing Turkey to recognize the Armenian and other genocides. Nice try to poison the well though.
People build their lives somewhere, relocating them usually means many steps back. If you ever migrated into a complete new country with different values and language, you would understand.
Have you missed the last ten years worth of radicalization in the AfD? They started out as what appeared to be a relatively normal fringe party under Lucke, and then over the years the far-right managed to shed ever more layers of the onion.
Particularly Höcke, a man who you can legally call a fascist, gives me the chills. And the party youth manages to be even more radical than him, enough to scare the adults into attempting to clean up shop before the youth organization gets banned.
Forcibly relocating entirely ethnic minorities? Yeah, that tracks.
Hardly. A handful of very high ranking Nazis were tried and hanged. Many of them escaped via ratlines. Nearly all the mid-level officers and civil authorities escaped any sort of punishment or justice, and continued happily serving in the West German state.
This is a misconception. As a result of the "Nuremberg Trials" which concluded in 1946 and focused specifically on high-level defendants, 11 people were hanged. But there were numerous other trials, including what were called the "Nuremberg Military Tribunals" from 1946-1949, the Bergen-Belsen trials, and so on, as a result of which scores of people of decidedly lesser status were executed, easily some 200+.
Nearly all the mid-level officers and civil authorities escaped any sort of punishment or justice, and continued happily serving in the West German state.
This smells like a major numerical fudge as well.
After Berlin fell, soldiers went through all the hospitals and checked every patient for the SS tattoo. Those with them got a bayonet.
SS members were hunted and killed throughout Germany after the fall. Some were hung upside down from lampposts and set on fire.
Hundreds of thousands of German soldiers died in POW camps after the war.
It was open season on German women after the surrender.
Germans underwent forced relocations out of Poland.
The killing did not stop at the surrender, it slowly faded over the next year.
Nearly all WW2 documentaries end with the suicide of Hitler, and maybe the Nuremburg trials. What else happened was savage and not well covered.
The Germans had a saying - enjoy the war, because after it will be hell.
"After the Reich", NacDonogh
"An Eye For An Eye", Sack
"Crimes and Mercies", Bacque
"Embracing Defeat", Dower
"Gruesome Harvest", Keeling
"Justice At Nuremburg", Conot
"Other Losses", Bacque
"The Nuremburg Trial", Tusa
"The Long Road Home", Shephard
That assumes that rational thinking (by, in this case, the German side) is involved. There wasn't any, at the very top.
Also the Nazis claimed the German army was not losing WW1, but were betrayed by politicians. Perhaps WW2 would not have started if WW1 ended in unconditionally surrender?
This is still a hot issue in Japanese Buddhism and demonstrates the difference between the sects:
Consider Soto and Rinzai Zen, vs Jodo Shinshu. Leaders from both supported the war efforts and nationalism, but since Soto and Rinzai teachers are supposed to be enlightened, the Soto and Rinzai authorities have not been able to apologise for their support. On the other hand, since in Jodo Shinshu everyone, including the head of the school (monshu), is on the same spiritual level (there is no attainment in Jodo Shinshu), they were easily able to apologise for the acts and ideas of the WW2 monshu.
>> The Germans (and Swiss...) for the most part imprisoned / shot PoWs.
Not to take anything away from the Japanese, and the Soviets, who were also horrible to POWs, but I'm pretty sure that the WWII Germans are charter members of the Hall of Fame for crime against humanity. They just didn't do most of it specifically to POWs.
(And if you want a good history of horror in broadly-speaking early-middle 20th century Eastern Europe, I suggest reading Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder.)
Code words and phrases can be cracked once one gets enough context.
More specifically, it was active counter intelligence where the US sent a false report of a water issue on Midway broadcast in the clear that they then picked up the Japanese report of the issue. They used that to discern which codeword Japan used for Midway.
Hell, it's what I would have done whether I thought the code was broken or not.
The Germans had plenty of evidence that Enigma was broken. The High Command refused to believe it. I would have used the broken Enigma to send the Allies into a trap.
The way to play the code breaking game is to assume the enemy has broken it, and act accordingly to your own advantage.
To conceal the fact that you know that it is broken, you would need to maintain use of that code at similar levels as before, without approximately doubling the signal traffic by sending the real communication under a new code. Furthermore, the fake traffic under the original code must be realistic to the degree the enemy can verify it, as they can read it, and if a major code has been broken for a period of a few weeks or so, the enemy presumably has plenty of information to use in verifying new messages, at least for a while (the verification need not be explicitly performed, at first; if new messages seem to be inconsistent with what is already known, questions are likely to be raised.)
Compromised minor cyphers and codes are another matter, and that is exactly how the Midway ruse worked.
> The same key was reused for the other messages from that day so cracking one let you read them all.
I know. The Germans were simply idiots in their hubris about Enigma. The evidence it was cracked was overwhelming, but Doenitz just dismissed it all. Rommel was also defeated by decoded Enigma messages, and he dismissed all evidence of its subversion.
Every U-Boot mission gets another newspaper. Every U-Boot has a different newspaper. There weren't that many U-Boots, so this would be manageable.
Even decoding one U-Boot's transmissions would not compromise the others.
The Allies basically got free reports of exact damage they inflicted on subs this way. On the other hand if a report didn't show up in a few days, they probably sunk it.
Of course when you believe you are in the most advanced nation in the US, what is the incentive to improve?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker#Deployment_and_evo...
They focus mostly on long-forgotten people and create an intense glimpse into the short timeframe when their life made a big impact.
My favourite obit of all time of hers is the one of Bill Millin: https://www.economist.com/obituary/2010/08/26/bill-millin (https://archive.is/iZifs)
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/burger-king-navajo-code-...
As for Japanese, Chinese, Russia ... errm most of the rest of the world 8)
In English we don't really get America(n) "right", and they are one of the larger populations that speak the bloody lingo! Oh and lingo: lingua - Latin with a twist, that's how we Anglo-Saxons keep it real!
Interestingly, the Japanese term for other countries/languages are frequently much closer than the English versions. So while English speakers call the Deutsch "German" and Deutschland "Germany", Japanese speakers call them "doitsu", which is just as close as you can transliterate "Deutsch" to the syllables allowed in Japanese. It's not a rule though: the proper term for the USA is "beikoku", which translates to "country of rice". (The colloquial term for USA however is "amerika", which is exactly what Americans call themselves colloquially.)
The Germans are somewhat extreme on the exonymic spectrum, there are something like six distinct terms used in Europe for them. I've never heard one complain about it.
This is seriously ignorant. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Japan
"The English word for Japan came to the West from early trade routes. The early Mandarin Chinese or possibly Wu Chinese word for Japan was recorded by Marco Polo as Cipangu. The Malay and Indonesian words Jepang, Jipang, and Jepun were borrowed from non-Mandarin Chinese languages, and this Malay word was encountered by Portuguese traders in Malacca in the 16th century. It is thought the Portuguese traders were the first to bring the word to Europe. It was first recorded in English in 1577 spelled Giapan."
> Marco Polo called Japan 'Cipangu' around 1300, based on the Chinese name,[6] probably 日本國; 'sun source country' (compare modern Min Nan pronunciation ji̍t pún kok).
The pronunciation "Japan" is from Chinese (or, to be pedantic, some Chinese language) pronunciation of 日本, which is pronounced as Nippon in Japan. It happened because the Chinese character 日 ("sun") has widely different sounds in modern languages. Probably it had an unusual sound in the old time.
It's basically like making up a name for the UK based on a corruption of what the Romans called it 2000 years ago, and then trying to claim this is similar to what Britons call it today.
This reminds me of something I was thinking about recently.
I started noticing a few years ago, when I began listening to a lot of podcasts made in the UK, that there's a gap between how Americans colloquially refer to ourselves and how the rest of the world does. The upshot is that the term "America" is used much more liberally overseas. For example, journalists overseas will often use "America" and "American" even when referring to our institutions, cities/states, and leaders, whereas domestically we will switch to "the US" or "the United States" in those situations. Put another way, domestically we usually say "America" when referring to our national and cultural identity, but often (but not always) use The US or The United States when referring to our country. I'm an American, but I live in the United States. Anthony Blinken is the US Secretary of State (foreigners will say American Secretary of State). Britain's ally in WW2 was the United States, and they were glad when the Americans showed up to fight. Gavin Newsom is the governor of the US State of California. If I return from 6 months abroad, I might say "Gd bless America" after my first bite of real cheeseburger. We'll chant USA! USA! at the Olympics and make an impassioned argument that American cars are the finest in the world. And so on.
Also, growing up (white) on the Navajo reservation, I was taught that Dine was the native language word for themselves, but no one ever expressed any desire for white folks to refer to them as Dine. They tended be private about their culture - there were aspects that were for them not for us, sometimes plainly and other times more subtly. Dine sometimes had that feel, like it was a private name amongst themselves, not a public name for outsiders to use. In other ways it was similar to German vs Deutsch, just a different word in a different language.
It is more recently that some Dine activists have cast off the name Navajo as colonial and wish to be referred to as Dine, but as far as I can tell it still isn't the majority opinion.
1) The sense and importance of community. Both the mention of them coming together when he returned where "the ghosts will be laid". And also the mention of "there was no “I” in his war, only “we”. We're stuck in such an individualist culture where we're told to work hard to stand out, and seem to be shamed if we're weak and in receiving help from others.
2) Words as metaphors. Beautiful examples given in the post, but we should remember the roots of many of our words are also metaphors. My favorite being "persona"[0], coming referring to an actors mask that air goes through. Helps remind me that we're always actors in the world, not some defined Self we're stuck with. Good book[1] on that topic from Jay Garfield.
3) Explanation at the end of his "Navajo Code-Talkers uniform". Mentions that yes, it's more than ok to imagine clothes as images and have meaning beyond "something to wear for efficiency". The Emerald podcast talks about these things, both ornaments in general from human history [2] and more specifically about guardians [3] which is what he considered the Navajo colors were for, to protect him.
The similarity of all these cases, to me, comes to they're not all thoughts he had in his head as words, which is what we're told to do from the smallest of ages. We're told to think hard, and use words (like I'm doing here) to be smarter than others. When looked at, words and thoughts are nothing compared to the experienced feelings that come from community, imaginal metaphors like hopping rabbits that leave tracks in the snow, or looking at colors you're wearing and feeling protected.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona
[1] https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691220284/lo...
[2] https://www.themythicbody.com/podcast/universe-adorned-ornam...
[3] https://www.themythicbody.com/podcast/guardians-and-protecto...
Japan had one and only one national language. Japan didn't have the culture of thinking of itself as a melting pot where many languages might meet. It probably wouldn't have thought to ask that question at all "what's the most diverse language that the Japanese speak?" In practice, we can assume that's also why it confused the Japanese for so long in the war, it wasn't a question to think of themselves, it probably was a hard question to ask of Americans if they saw "English" as the national language they might also not think to ask "what other languages do Americans speak?" or maybe even "why isn't this English or a derivative of/code for English?"
More generally though, Japan now and Imperial Japan in particular was very big on there being "one Japan" with one Japanese people and one standard language. Dialects were not encouraged and Okinawan, which is really a different language, was ruthlessly suppressed (kids punished for speaking it in school etc).
Those letters mean: "Welsh not". Back in the day, Welsh children would be punished for speaking Welsh (instead of English) and made to wear a wooden board with WN on it around their neck. The board would be passed on through the day to the final transgressor who would receive a thrashing or similar punishment. Generally all of them would get a thrashing anyway - it was good for them!
Edit: Not, not no ie WN: "Welsh not". Small but important difference.
It's also worth pointing out why the use of Navajo code talkers was so successful. Part of that is that it's from a language family that was poorly known by linguists at the time. But even within that language family, Navajo is pretty different (compare how different English is from other Germanic languages, or indeed most Indo-European languages). It's also a fiendishly complex language; like, there's no regular verbs--that would make attempts to crack it via standard cryptanalytic techniques rather more difficult. (Also worth pointing out, it was a code within Navajo so that even when the Japanese pressed a Navajo POW into translating the messages, they couldn't crack it).
Uniqueness of Navajo and other Native American languages was that they were all complete multi millennia isolate from English thanks to how USA came to be. Japan wasn't like that so dialects aren't divergent enough for this use case. Ainu might be a candidate but it's way too high profile.