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To be fair, the biggest problem I have with Cake is its ORM; it just feels unnatural to me. You ask for some data, and get back an associative array of values, which you can't do anything with but pass elsewhere. It just lacks a certain sense of OOPiness for me :)

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I feel the same way, and I've been trying to get away from Cake for a while, but the fact that everything except the quirkiness of the ORM is so nice that I stick with it.

Also, the next version is supposed to redo the ORM to return actual models.

I wonder if the performance will be better or worst though. Creating tons of objects might impact it but they might be able to do more lazy loading to help.

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