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Appropriate response by 4Chan to this: simplify the human work given that anyway it's simple to solve via NNs. We are at a point where designing very hard captchas has high probabilities to increase the human annoyance without decreasing the machine solvability.

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> simplify the human work given that anyway it's simple to solve via NNs. We are at a point where designing very hard captchas has high probabilities to increase the human annoyance without decreasing the machine solvability

Or disallow free users to post at all, and require everyone to buy the 4chan Pass for $20 USD per year if they want to post.

https://4chan.org/pass

This is already available to not have CAPTCHA. So if CAPTCHA is totally ineffective, it follows that they should do away with CAPTCHA and free users being able to post at all and everyone should buy the 4chan Pass if they want to post.

This kills the board. Users will go elsewhere, fuck all people pay for pass.

And the spambots will follow them. Which kills the next board. Repeat ad nauseum until the end of the internet.

Agreed, charging for accounts is the only halfway viable solution I have seen any service use that gives a sizable downtick in the sheer number of bots/spam.

Of course it's not perfect, and it will still happen, but I have yet to hear any better solutions. Please prove me wrong though!

This is known as a Sybil [1] attack and it lays the groundwork for stuff like Adam Backs hashcash [2] protocol and it’s basically why things like proof of work [3] have a monetary value today.

Very chicken and egg this entire field- defending against the spammers while simultaneously operating a “free” system. How to do it without making it prohibitively expensive to join the system…

Any free system will be abused yada yada yada

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_work

At this point I have to wait 90 seconds before making every post. (maybe because I don't persist cookies). I posted very rarely, but now I just stopped - I get it when someone shows me the door.

That would work. It would also kill the site.

What? So you use 4chan? It would completely kill what makes this website special

We've been stuck at that point for at least 5, if not 10, years.

Just use Worldcoin retina scans next

"Drag each symbol to the group that is most likely to be offended by it."

Ooh I love this, all off-the-shelf AI won’t touch it due to all their “safety” (aka anti-hurt-feelings) protocols

4chan doesn't care about human annoyance. They just started doing a 15 minute post delay, which is infuriating. I had to whitelist 4chan in Cookie AutoDelete.

Hi fellow cookie autodeleter, I experienced the same thing, but I just decided to stop posting. Whitelisting felt too much like giving in to terrorists. I'm considering just not going there in the future. Maybe after all this time I will finally be free.

Same. In my case I always use a separate incognito mode browser for posting and a regular locked-down browser with JS disabled etc. So I'd have to either give in and leave the incognito mode browser running in the background while I browser on the main browser, or give in and stop blocking as aggressively on the main browser, and I chose to do neither and just stop posting.

Given the schizos that are still present and drowing out the conversation in half the threads I read, there wouldn't be a point to posting anyway.

Why are you doing this ? What are you trying to avoid ?

See you tomorrow, anon.

Just stop posting there. The whole point of it is to post anonymously in a high traffic forum. The rate limiting timers have reduced traffic to the point many boards feel dead, and their solution to that problem is to sell accounts.

What is NN?

"AI" but pre-COVID

Oh my!

Is the oversimplification from "deep neural network" into "AI" caused by the prevalence of brain-fog due to long COVID?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network_(machine_learni...

I am totally in favor of increasing the annoyance of 4chan users.

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