Couldn't this be said about any alternative solution? I fail to see how this is specific to state machines.
What do you suggest instead of a state machine?
What do you suggest instead of a state machine?
My rough rule of thumb based on experience is that if the state machine being a state machine is visible outside of it's internal implementation (compared to just an interface with operational methods that don't hint at how things are managed behind the scenes) it's probably too leaky and/or incomplete.
I would trust code with extensive state-transition testing (regardless of internal implementation) - I wouldn't trust code that claimed to implement a state machine and didn't have that testing, or extensive documentation of edge cases and what was left out of the state machine.
As a simple example of something that's often left out in a way that fucks up state machines: the passing of time.
If needs be the state-machine can be reconstructed on a whiteboard by a team of five.
> especially any that emerge from a codegen tool
State machines often are implemented with mutable objects.
And one does not need mutable objects to make "modules-> objects with the transitions being method calls". Every method call could return a fresh, immutable object, nothing requires mutation there.
I'd see a method like:
`TransitionTo(newState)`
as a major smell compared to an explicit
`TransistionToNewState`
and I think OOO can be helpful (hardly required, of course) in that one neat way of streamlining usage of your code is that if you're implementing objects then the object for something in "State A" might not even have "TransitionToStateC" if that's not a valid operation.
(No, you don't HAVE to write state machine code that allows you to ask for invalid operations, but it's a common pattern I've seen in real code and in online discussion/blogs/stack overflow.)
For a state machine, I would expect a function such as:
transition : (old_state, event) -> new_state
Or if we use immutable objects, and one method per simple event, then something like:
transition_event1 : () -> new_state
Which I think is similar to what you hace. So I think we are in agreement here.
I definitely was not: I would argue for structured logic rather than implicit state. The idea you are discussing seems to be more about imperative vs. functional design, and that would also be a lot better... but these are Google engineers managing a million interacting state machines via a giant pile of global (mutable) state, resulting in tons of bugs such as this one that isn't even fixed yet:
https://issues.webrtc.org/issues/339131894
A reply I just left elsewhere on this thread, noting that "state machine" doesn't imply the clean perfectly-factored concept you'd learn in a computer science class: these are ad hoc state machines that result from having a number of developers who don't really care and who think they can "dead reckon" the state of the system if they just add enough transition functions.
Yeah that doesn't sound good. I understand the point you are making now and agree.
Now, if we said to someone to model a weather prediction via state-machine- that would be obvious madness. But if we take a small object (like a cubic meter of air) and modelled that part to handle inputs and transfer forces, that generic statemachine will do the job- because the atmospheric ocean of statemachines knows more about the whole system, than a single statemachine.
My point is- there is state in a system, that is not explicitly modeled.