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Collective action hurts everybody, but that's kind of the point: "I can live with the sacrifice for as long as it takes. Can you?"

My only worry is if this ends up playing into the extremists' hands. Still, one must do what one can when fighting for one's rights.

The population decreased in South Korea because they did not have immigration. The population will continue to meet the needs of the demands for labor through immigration or birth in the United States because it needs to maintain the leadership of the Global Order. The vested interests from the Capitalists, to the Technocrats to those who continue to push the boundaries and seek human progress will NEVER LET this happen. People who are part of this 4B movement are entitled to continue do to so, but when there is a demand for humans immigration will fill in the gaps and we will continue towards human progress unencumbered.

South Korea's population has been declining since the 60s. 4B hasn't made a single dent in it.

In fact when they continue with this 4B movement no one should necessarily oppose them, let them work and pay taxes which will be used to build the infrastructure for the next generation. Anti-natalist movements cannot last more than three generations

How are men treating women like “worthless objects”? Is it something specific (like abortion law in a particular state?) or a general feeling or something else?

This also came up in 2016 and never manifested into anything. Again after Roe's overturn - nothing. It will once again be nothing. Worse now for your "movement" however is Trump made significant gains with women. The effectiveness of such a movement lies in the majority. Even among leftist women I would bet good money less than 10% would follow such a thing. If anything this type of thing enshrines the very loud gender war being promoted by the media. People who aren't terminally online don't care as much as you think.

It follows the same pattern as people whining and crying saying they're going to seek asylum in Canada. While a fringe minority did it once again was just an eye-grabbing headline. This type of nonsense has happened, as far as I can remember, since Bush in 2004. Every time a Republican gets into power the tankies make wild, public, performances and then proceed to do absolutely nothing, ever.

So, in conclusion "you" won't do anything - at all. Life will go on like normal. Just like 2016, and just like 2020. Turn off the TV.

> Again after Roe's overturn - nothing. It will once again be nothing.

Something that campaigns haven't grappled with yet is that turning over abortion to states has been an extremely stable outcome. A supermajority of people will be happy with whatever their state's law is, whichever it tilts to. Very few people are going to vote on a national campaign to overturn another state's law, and even fewer if they are on the side of personal rights..

As a issue for a national campaign it's a loser and will only cost you votes.

Except in Florida where the minority got their way, not a supermajority.

This 4B movement is also patently misogynistic in that it assume the only way for women to bring about change is through saying no to dating, marriage, sex and childbirth. Woman are intelligent beings is this the only option available to them? really? Is this the only way they can be heard? No.

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