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I've never felt much sympathy for this take, given the counterpart is being called a groomer, traitor, child murderer, election stealer, deep state benefactor etc.

Why does this only change votes in one direction?

> the counterpart is being called a groomer, traitor, child murderer, election stealer, deep state benefactor etc.

And when did this behavior start? After Democrats started calling Trump and Co. Nazis, fascists, etc. They just followed the precedence that was set by democrats.

I voted for Harris, and as much as I think a second Trump presidency will damage America, the hyperbole really is tiresome and probably contributed to our loss.

The right was calling Obama Hilter long before that. https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/etd/3598/

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787267564405653505

No democrat would call it "our loss"

I'm not sure what you mean by that? The democratic candidate lost, and by no small margin. I'm a democrat. It's unambiguously our loss.

I only ever met a trump supporter who framed it so personally. Kamala harris lost. No part of it feels "mine" or "ours" to me.

Right, if we simply ignore the plethora of racist things said at trump rallies. Oh, and all the explicitly anti-trans political ads.

People aren't saying this, the GOP is saying this and then people just repeat it back to them. You can't claim you're not anti-trans when the political ads of the candidates you support depict trans women as burly grown men who beat up little girls.

I mean, it's so hyperbolic it would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing.

See? You're doing it again.

Me pointing to specific talking points and actual material the GOP provides isn't some type of name calling. I didn't do anything - they produced this. If you're not even willing to believe the GOP when they tell you their platform, why are you voting for them?

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They just can’t help themselves!

Right, me telling the GOP voters what the GOP platform says is the problem. The problem isn't that GOP voters don't understand the platform, or, rather, choose to play stupid about it in a thinly-vieled attempt to hide any bigotry.

I will believe you when the GOP themselves does not say racist things and does not propose anti-trans legislation (coupled with incredibly transphobic propaganda). Until then, it is completely fair and accurate to highlight the bigotry of the GOP. If it bothers you, which I have a bit of doubt it does, but if it does - feel free to vote for platforms that more closely align with your ideology.

You should not be getting offended at me telling you your party's own platform.

My bad, I guess it's just the ones with swastikas at his rallies!

Since those might also be worn in irony and spite of the other side, I wouldn’t be so sure.

What exactly would be ironic or spiteful about it?

I think this is the biggest reason she lost. There's a limit to how much hyperbole (and that's being generous) and lies you can tell about someone before the words lose their meaning and people stop believing everything else you say. Not just from democrats (involved in politics) but the media as well. They made up their mind about Trump (probably via corporate smear campaigns) and were so openly biased against him it was despicable. People (I believe) knew that at best the truth was somewhere in the middle, or knew his whole campaign was being jinxed by very powerful people. And I think this was enough to persuade the swing voters.

> There's a limit to how much hyperbole (and that's being generous) and lies you can tell about someone before the words lose their meaning

For any who didn't get this so far, this is why the 'crowd size' and the height/weight issues (among others) were hit so hard by the left. People don't care about that stuff. What people care about is someone not backing down from obvious lies when we're all looking at the same information. Because of course he's going to lie about the stuff only he gets to see.

indeed as independent i grew tired of the media and all poltical machines/their games in May 2020. Turned it all off and tuned it out as hard to believe and dechipher what the truth is from any side / media.

most people are actually quite reasonable and the identity politics play now has no effect. i am a gay man that voted democrat my entire life until recently, however i don't feel my ideals have changed, i have been left behind by elite snobby people seeking power through division who have corrupted the democratic party. the republicans have their own problems too by fanatic religious and racists types, but it by no means is representative of the average conservative.

> republicans have their own problems too by fanatic religious [...] but it by no means is representative of the average conservative.

65% of the Republicans who participated in a survey by the Pew Research Center said that laws should be influenced by the bible, and 78% said that the United States should be a Christian nation:

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/10/27/religion-in-...

Aren't there many edicts in the Bible which are congruent with the law?

the sample size is 97 recipients. probably about as reliable as the polls this election.

So within 3%?

As a German this was the most disgusting thing to ever hear from a politician.

She completely devaluated the horrific unspeakable crimes of ww2 in one sentence.

Luckily she got what she deserved and we will never hear from her again

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