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where do you have that 3pm from?

on the shortest days of the year, sun sets 1552 and it's still good daylight until 1630

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/germany/berlin?month=12

also if there is no DST, sunrise will be _really_ late.

My bad. I wanted to say it’s practically dark at 3pm (even though the sun sets later). It’s not that there’s plenty of daylight until 1 second before the sun sets.

Exactly, especially when the clouds are so low you can't even see where the sun is shining from (common here in late autumn)

yah my coldest darkest winter ever was 1998 in Berlin.

still the light was okay until 4pm and the gas lights were turned on then or later not before...

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