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> The real solution is to book a trip to Spain in February, but that isn’t an option for everyone.

Another solution (to the minimal amount of daylight in winter) is to simply not change the time (DST) in October. Let the sun set later, not at 3pm FFS!

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You're aware that Winter time is the 'standard time', and that you won't get more light hours by moving the clock around right? The sun is rising at around 07:00 and sets at around 16:30 in November in Berlin, getting up at around 7am isn't too hard to make most of the sunlight (personally I find it more depressing to get up in the dark then ending the day in the dark tbh). The only way to get more light out of a winter day in Germany is moving further to the south.

Standard time is considered the best option for health and well-being because it aligns most closely with our natural circadian rhythms, which are regulated by exposure to morning light. Research shows that standard time improves sleep quality, reduces stress, and decreases the risk of various health issues like cardiovascular disease, mood disorders, and even certain cancers. By maintaining standard time year-round, we support our bodies' internal clocks, which helps promote better mental and physical health. Leading sleep and health organizations advocate for standard time to minimize disruptions caused by the biannual clock changes and reduce the health risks associated with daylight saving time.

No one's day is aligned with the sun. At noon plus 8 hours, there's a lot of stuff happening. Noon minus 8 hours? Everybody's still asleep.

Any disruption due to having the change the clock seems insignificant relative to natural seasons variance if you're far enough north. If there is a 5+6 hours difference between when the sun sets in June and December that 1 hour can hardly make a huge difference?

where do you have that 3pm from?

on the shortest days of the year, sun sets 1552 and it's still good daylight until 1630

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/germany/berlin?month=12

also if there is no DST, sunrise will be _really_ late.

My bad. I wanted to say it’s practically dark at 3pm (even though the sun sets later). It’s not that there’s plenty of daylight until 1 second before the sun sets.

Exactly, especially when the clouds are so low you can't even see where the sun is shining from (common here in late autumn)

yah my coldest darkest winter ever was 1998 in Berlin.

still the light was okay until 4pm and the gas lights were turned on then or later not before...

But then you don't get daylight up until 10am (which also sucks)

It sucks less, I’d say.

The number of hours of daylight remains the same, so it depends on the individual attitude towards what hour on the clock is an acceptable time to wake up and go to bed. It does become more difficult of course if you have obligations in the morning or evening based on the specific time on the clock.

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