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Huh?

Been a while since I was in the digital signage space but a lot of the equipment runs of the shelf RK3288 plugged into commercial displays. 2GB of RAM was pretty common. IIRC's though LG's WebOS TV's have minimum 2GB of RAM in the digital signage space directly built into the units themselves. I believe Samsung Tizen based units has similar RAM.

My router has 1GB of RAM in it. But even my cheapest routers have 128 to 256 MB of RAM. The Cisco 9300 Catalyst switches have about 8 GB of RAM, but switches with beefy amounts of RAM are getting pretty common now, even if somewhat pricey.

Yeah there's massive swathes of embedded space that's tiny. But the higher end stuff isn't exactly out of reach anymore. The RK3288's IIRC ran about $20 a unit at the time before I left the industry.

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A decade ago, I had to settle for 512MB of ram for my Windows XP desktop.

Three decades perhaps. In 2014 it was Windows 8, SSDs, 5th gen i7 (Haswell), 8-16GB of DDR4 ram. Even the iPhone 6 came with 1GB of ram.

There's a huge chunk of people out there, not able to afford the latest.

But desktops with those specs are <$100, probably less than $50.

If they can't afford those specs then you're approaching the group of people who can't afford a computer in the first place.

Yes, that's about 3 billion people. They use whatever they can afford. Usually that's whatever is very old, because new software doesn't run well except on very new hardware which is more expensive.

I recently wanted an MP3 player for an art project. Local stores don't sell mp3 players anymore, they only sell smartphones. So I bought an MVNO smartphone for $40. When I charged it up and tried to use it, I thought maybe it was broken, because it would take 10-30 seconds to load a settings menu or app. Nope, all these bargain carrier-branded phones are that slow. The hardware is [somewhat] old, but the new Android OSes run like molasses on them. It was like going back in time. Remember how Windows 98 would make your hard drive screech for a good couple minutes as it struggled to juggle the swap memory so you could open MS Word? That's the experience with most software today with "affordable" hardware even a few years old.

So using Windows XP is often the only choice, if you don't have a lot of money, like 1/3rd of the planet. (And it's not just the third world. 59% of American households with K-12 school kids don't have a working computer, or it works too slowly to be useful)

This is simply so misleading thats its nonsense.

So you bought a new phone for $40, and it was a POS?

My kids use my old iPhone 7, which is in the same price bracket and is nothing like that. Its fast enough for Roblox, Minecraft, and certainly fast enough for a web browser.

I have an old Dell USFF that I use for server purposes, but its a Skylake (so newer than what was the original conversation), with ssd and 16Gb, and that was <£50. That can boot with systemd in under 5 seconds. It can boot to the full Gnome desktop in under 6 seconds. Firefox can start and get the Office.com site up in less than 3 seconds.

Because thats what were talking about.

> But desktops with those specs are <$100, probably less than $50.

I just checked eBay. Yes they still are.

I see you, but win XP was literally end of life 10 years ago.

So what?

Indeed, but still wrong.

In 2014 i got myself a second- or third-hand thinkpad X220, released in 2011, off eBay. It came with 8gb ram (two 4GB sticks) but it supported 16GB ram as well (two 8gb sticks).

The laptop (Asus A8Jc) I got when I was a teenager in ~2005 came with a dual core intel cpu and 1GB ram. So "512mb desktops" are way older than that.

That was the amount of RAM in my Athlon Windows XP multimedia PC, bought in 2002, by 2006 my newly acquired ThinkPad PC RAM was already measured in GB.

Three decades ago was 1995 and Windows 95 ran on 8MB of RAM.

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