How do you know that they don’t do these things? Seems hard to say for sure since it’s hard to explain in human terms what a neural network is doing.
- LLMs use fixed resources when computing an answer. And to the extent that they don't, they are function calling and the behaviour is not attributable to the LLMs. For example when using a calculator, it is displaying calculator intelligence.
- LLMs do not have memory, and if they do it's very recent and limited, and distinct from any being so far. They don't remember what you said 4 weeks ago, and they don't incorporate that into their future behaviour. And if they do, the way they train and remember is very distinct from that of humans and relates to it being a system being offered as a free service to multiple users. Again to the extent that they are capable of remembering, their properties are not that of LLMs and are attributable to another layer called via function calling.
LLMs are a perception layer for language, and perhaps for output generation, but they are not the intelligence.
1- running the query through a classifier to figure out if the question involves numbers or math 2- Extract the function and the operands 3- Do the math operation with standard non-LLM mechanisms 4- feed back the solution to the LLM 5- Concatenate the math answer with the LLM answer with string substitution.
So in a strict sense this is not very representative of the logical capabilities of an LLM.
This confusion was introduced at the top of the thread. If the argument is "LLMs plus tooling can't do X," the argument is wrong. If the argument is "LLMs alone can't do X," the argument is worthless. In fact, if the argument is that binary at all, it's a bad argument and we should laugh it out of the room; the idea that a lay person uninvolved with LLM research or development could make such an assertion is absurd.
https://chatgpt.com/share/6723477e-6e38-8000-8b7e-73a3abb652...
https://chatgpt.com/share/6723478c-1e08-8000-adda-3a378029b4...
https://chatgpt.com/share/67234772-0ebc-8000-a54a-b597be3a1f...
mini's answer is correct, but then it forgets that fathers are male in the next sentence.
Changing names does not affect the performance of Sota models.
Which figure are you referring to? For instance figure 8a shows a -32.0% accuracy drop when an insignificant change was added to the question. It's unclear how that's "within the margin of error" or "Changing names does not affect the performance of Sota models".
Their errors appear to disappear when you correctly set the context from conversational to adversarial testing — and Apple is actually testing the social context and not its ability to reason.
I’m just waiting for Apple to release their GSM-NoOp dataset to validate that; preliminary testing shows it’s the case, but we’d prefer to use the same dataset so it’s an apples-to-apples comparison. (They claim it will be released “soon”.)
If you want a more scientific answer there is this recent paper: https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/gsm-symbolic
Maybe some HN commenters will finally learn the value of uncertainty then.
More challenging are unconventional story structures, like a mom named Matthew with a son named Mary and a daughter named William, who is Matthew's daughter?
But even these can still be done by the best models. And it is very unlikely there is much if any training data that's like this.
For anyone curious: https://chatgpt.com/share/6722d130-8ce4-800d-bf7e-c1891dfdf7...
> Based on traditional naming conventions, it seems that the names might have been switched in this scenario. However, based purely on your setup:
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> Matthew has a daughter named William and a son named Mary.
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> So, Matthew's daughter is William.
They still lack, as far as we know, a world model, but the results are already eerily similar to how most humans seem to think - a lot of our own behaviour can be described as “predict how another human would reply”.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2210.13382
I'd be more surprised if LLMs trained on human conversations don't create any world models. Having a world model simply allows the LLM to become better at sequence prediction. No magic needed.
There was another recent paper that shows that a language model is modelling things like age, gender, etc., of their conversation partner without having been explicitly trained for it
My understand was that they know how the model was designed to be able to work, but that there's been very little (no?) progress in the black box problem so we really don't know much at all about what actually happens internally.
Without better understanding of what actually happens when an LLM generates an answer I stick with the most basic answer that its simply predicting what a human would say. I could be wildly misinformed there, I don't work directly in the space and its been moving faster than I'm interested in keeping up with.
We argue that representations in AI models, particularly deep networks, are converging. First, we survey many examples of convergence in the literature: over time and across multiple domains, the ways by which different neural networks represent data are becoming more aligned. Next, we demonstrate convergence across data modalities: as vision models and language models get larger, they measure distance between datapoints in a more and more alike way. We hypothesize that this convergence is driving toward a shared statistical model of reality, akin to Plato’s concept of an ideal reality. We term such a representation the platonic representation and discuss several possible selective pressures toward it. Finally, we discuss the implications of these trends, their limitations, and counterexamples to our analysis.
There's nothing wrong with a hypothesis or that process, but it means we still don't know whether models are doing this or not.
There was a paper that shows a model trained on Othello moves creates a model of the board, models the skill level of their opponent and more.