We need >2000 km ranges in one charge of electric vehicles for widespread adoption.
Faster charging would really make all the difference.
There's also nothing more miserable than being stuck in a queue for a fast charger with a colicy baby. I've offered people cash to get to the front of the queue, although no-one's ever accepted money when they understand why.
This is called a motorcycle! Mine can do 260-280km on a gas tank, still does huge trips. Once batteries work like gas, you're absolutely right.
How is this a motorcycle specific feature?
And while I only usually drive 300-350km in one piece, I don't want to buy a car where I have to fear that a drive of this sort ends up waiting to be towed because of battery degradation (500km will realistically be 450km in a few years), or because I missed the last charging station or got stuck in traffic with heating running, and the remaining few km dwindle in front of me.
It's rational to fear your phone being under 20% when you still need it. It's just as rational to have 20% buffer when charging your car battery.
In the end that is only two about 2 hour drive stints. And really spending time on those stints instead of getting to destination or being home later...
It took a few years to get there, people don't necessarily know immediately what they like best.
In the rest of the EEA, EVs sales are plummeting.
https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations...
But yeah, it's for the environment, surely. Reverse the policy and see what happens.
Different people have different requirements.
Keeping up this stoic desire to not having to change your habits around driving at all is dismissing a lot of the benefits small, lightweight electric cars could get us, if they didn’t need to carry tons of battery around—that isn’t even necessary most of the time.
With an electric vehicle, you can get an extremely low-maintenance, easy to drive, fast accelerating, ecologically efficient car. That has its on merits. On the other hand, it has a lower range than an ICE engine, and is less reliable in cold weather.
Consumers are satisfied with buying ICE vehicles, which is why 90-something percent of them do just that when buying a new vehicle. You’re not saying anything about consumers expectations here, what’s happening is (most of them) just they don’t want what EVs are selling. You can’t be wrong about wanting something, we’re all allowed to choose what it is that we want for ourselves.
This is just the EV version of “the world would be much nicer if everybody thought like me” argument.
I consider my ICE low maintenance, too. Semi-annual service, brakes and tires as needed. How much better are EVs?
I think I don’t like that people see consumption as a birthright, and pretend there aren’t any consequences.
Plenty of ICE vehicles are starting to get these features as well, but I don’t buy those cars either, and all of the half decent EVs seem to have (nearly) all of those features I hate, configured in the worst way I could possibly imagine.
Consumption is my birthright. You can do whatever you want.
Very true! But most people in cities can't charge at home (street parking, rental, etc).
So charge time and access (finding a working station with a reasonable wait time) must also be considered before we tell people they're dumb for resisting change.
The median work distance in France is 12km in the countryside and 6km in the cities.
25% of the workers travel less than 4km even in the countryside.
Source: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/7622203
The current range is way above most needs already and I'm not sure cars (electric or not) is even the answer with such a low usage.
Cars are one of the most inefficient form of transport anyways and driving almost never makes sense on large distances.
Instead of a large flow of people driving 600km to go to the same place with a single seat used each only once per year, what you would want is public transport instead on those routes, that would be more rational.
The US could build more mass transit.
As the work from home vs return to the office struggle shows bashing business to relocate closer to where people work has some merit.
After the All Ireland semi-final this year, there were multi-hour queues for fast chargers on the M7. Multi-minute queues for petrol.
This is reflected in sales, where even with tax and BIK incentives, EV sales are falling sharply and second-hand EVs are being exported because the market has tanked.
I don’t understand how they expect poor people to buy these massively.
Been saying this forever: most of the cost of gasoline are "road taxes". You think the government is just to let that revenue disappear as people shift to EV usage? No, your EV will be just as expensive to operate, they will add taxes to your charger.
Part of this is that EVs are much more expensive than the average car (over the whole fleet - new cars are much closer in price), and so EV drivers are self-selected to be wealthier, therefore willing to pay more. Another factor is the lack of competition and alternatives, especially at motorway petrol stations.
When I charge at home, I pay about €0.01-0.02 / km.
Assuming ~€0.10 / km for a reasonably economical diesel nugget...
That's a little more than 10% for home charging :)
If I am driving far enough to warrant a charge, chances are I'm spending some time at my destination before coming back. 4 hours at 7kW (slow AC charge) is 28kWh, which ~40% of my total battery capacity, or about 200km of range. It probably won't get me home but I can probably get to another less busy charger on my way home.
I do agree though, the charging infrastructure needs to be built out much more. I dream of a day where every parking space in every parking lot has a slow charging port, and there are much much more ~50kW installed. But the current level of build-out is not that bad, and when combined with home charging it's basically a non-issue ~80% of the time.
Maybe next time, get your car topped up before going to the game, and then afterwards you can just drive home, skipping probably the majority of the surge traffic. Or take the bus!
I still drive a diesel because I drive across Europe a lot. My usual journey is 700km, which I can do with ca. 40L. The total my 65L tank would give me is about 1000km depending on the conditions. Anyway, those 700km take about 8 hours with a couple of short stops. If I were to drive 2000km I would definitely need a long break in which I could easily charge. I am not really aware of any ICE having a greater range than that, never mind 2000Km. I’ve once driven the Plugin-Hybrid Kuga and it got very close to the diesel range. It almost made the entire 700km journey with the 40l petrol tank. But these long journeys only happen a few times a year and I think it would be silly to drive a huge battery around for the off chance I am driving across an entire continent.
Likely, for one, a great deal more aluminium HVAC|DC cable laid in car parks to support charging; copper's kind of expensive and in short supply but is also a contender.
Might be smart to invest in any IPO's launched to raise capital for new proven economically feasible smelters processing infrastructure.
The hay to feed all those horses doesn't appear by magic, livery's the future m'lad.
My Hyundai i30 has a 600km range, max.
It's called range anxiety for a reason. People are anxious about it. But, it's disconnected from what a trip meter tells us about average commute, daily drive.
Cue hoardes of "but i live rural and drive 30,000km a day" responses. Because people don't understand averages and what on average most people do. I know I drive below average, i checked. I do about 1/3 to 1/4 of an average Australian driver. I also know these 200km daily commute drivers are a wild outlier, not the norm. The people whining about e-vehicle range snipe social media to headline their justified concerns to their outlier behaviour and distort the conversation.