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Good to see simple wiki / confluence alternatives. But confluence is here to stay, with all it's rich features.

I switched jobs and thus move away from confluence to ADO wiki and life is never endingly painful for internal knowledge management!

Either there are 100s of word docx or there's confluence that can be easily queried, with various other capabilities using it's plugins for draw.io and mermaid.js.

Markdown for large tables is just silly and hard to maintain. AsciiDoc is great, but a bit too much for docs that are shared with product teams.

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Haven't found anything Confluence does Notion wouldn't be capable of.

I think you use confluence because it integrates with jira, and you use jira because it integrates with bitbucket and your software lifecycle / change control management processes, and you have those because you've got compliance requirements and the tooling needs to be managed by people who don't want to get deeply invested in some complex DSL when a visual workflow builder's "good enough"

See also "nobody uses elasticsearch because they like lucene queries; they use it because everyone likes using kibana and tolerate lucene."

(There are probably people who specifically like features of confluence or elasticsearch; most use it because they like / must use other parts of the ecosystem and feature/product N is good enough)

[edited to finish the thought about jira's workflow management]

>See also "nobody uses elasticsearch because they like lucene queries; they use it because everyone likes using kibana and tolerate lucene."

there are lots of usecases for ElasticSearch without Kibana. in my area it is >90% ElasticSearch without Kibana (nor Grafana)

I suspect very few people "start with Kibana to solve some streaming data search problem and discovery they love ElasticSearch / lucene" and similarly very few people who seek out features on top of lucene say "and another major selling point to using ElasticSearch for this project is that we'll also be able to search the database with Kibana"

And if Notion were open source I’d migrate to it.

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