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Said it before, will doubtless say it many times again... Level 5 self-driving isn't coming until with have AGI.

There are sufficient technologies to create level 4 urban and level 2 interstate driving that cover most miles driven by most people on a daily basis.

AGI isn’t required for this. Really good SLAM is.

Isn’t Waymo level 5?

Isn't level 5 under any circumstances? Have we seen how Waymo handles a snowstorm?

Have we seen how Waymo handles a snowstorm?

My guess; the same way they handle every unexpected situation --- slam on the brakes.

The most common accident with self driving vehicles is rear end collisions --- which always gets classified as the human driver's fault.

I checked this out [1] just to get a sense, and apparently there have been 200 total collisions involving Waymos, about one every 100,000 miles. 43% were at relative speeds of under 1 MPH. Only 23 were serious enough to cause an injury or deploy airbags, and of those, 16 were rear-end crashes. At least one of the 16 involved a driver who hit the Waymo a second time as he tried to run away, so probably not good faith. Anyway: might be that Waymos hit the brakes a lot, but does not seem like an epidemic of fast "slam on the brakes" rear-end collisions.

[1] https://www.understandingai.org/p/human-drivers-are-to-blame...

A waymo behind the waymo wouldn't have made that mistake.

Waymos all the way back

No, Waymo is L4.

endless edge cases

I think the real reason why tesla will never give people the option to buy one of their cars without self driving hardware is because the market would reveal its actual demand and value

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