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Isn't this just "no true Scotsman?" [1]

I don't see much difference in art created by an artist using an AI, art created by an artist using photoshop, and art created by an artist using red ochre. They are all using tools to express something.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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The difference is in the intangibles. Real art – differentiated from commercial art – is an inherently human-to-human communication medium.

If I ask some guy Leonardo to paint a portrait of me, am I the artist? Why not? My tool was Leonardo.

Many artists in fact do exactly this -- they do not make the art themselves, but instead imagine and manage the 'art project' and delegate tasks to other artists that work for them. Leonardo (Da Vinci) in fact himself did this with much of the work required for his paintings, although the most crucial parts he left for himself.

Yes, that is why I chose Leonardo as an example.

In that case, I think the answer to your hypothetical is "If you can convince people to call you that then yes."

Didn't Warhol explore this conceptual space during his career?

Was your only input to ask some guy? When I play with SDXL, I can spend an hour or more on a single image, between prompting and inpainting, and playing with dozens of variables. Each final work is a collage made by generating each detail of the image separately many times. And then I would usually process that final image in some other software to get the final result I want.

Photography and cinema are art forms, even if your phone has a camera. So is painting, even if a baby can fingerpaint. You can ask ChatGPT to give you an image of a cat, but you can also use AI as a tool to express yourself in personal and unique ways.

I honestly don't want to be rude or attack anyone's opinions, but I really think one can only believe generative images can't have artistic value due to ignorance.

I support NASA going to Mars and pay taxes for them to try. I'm a Mars explorer. My tool is NASA.

Yeah, I think I agree. Your boss gets credit for the things you invent. This is a reasonable position.

Yea, it's pretty silly that this is the case in our culture, and is a mark against using the paradigm of property rights to manage acknowledging the contributions of creatives

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