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I certainly do. That said, I struggle to find another browser that's any better and most are worse. So I accept Firefox as the lesser evil.

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Brave browser is such an obvious win for me… chrome + privacy. None of the bugs and missing features that come with Safari or Firefox.

That's what I used for a year or so before switching back to Firefox. It's OK, but doesn't come as close to meeting my needs as Firefox does.

Curious about what needs you had that Brave didn't fill?

Not your parent commenter but I love Firefox more after discovering that you can't even customize the toolbar buttons in Brave. That's such a basic functionality that I'd taken for granted, until I tried to move out of Firefox for a brief time.

Lack of sufficient customization and lack of extensions I want. The customization is a big deal because I dislike the Chromium UI and want to be able to fix the worst of it. My dislike of the UI is also a source of grumbling from me about modern Firefox, which has picked up a lot of Chromium and which is also less customizable than it used to be, but I can still fix a lot.

I also want to be able to use the same browser at work as at home, and my workplace banned the use of Brave when it started including a VPN.

The fact that it's Chrome is the problem with Brave. What you call "bugs and missing features" I call necessary diversity to avoid Google dominating the standardization process more than they already do.

Safari. That's the only browser I really use.

That's not an option unless you're an Apple user, though.

I can't say what it's like on Linux or Windows, but the Duck browser is pretty good. It's my second choice.

On Macs and iOS, and iPadOS, it's clunkier than Safari, but less clunky than Firefox.

Perhaps the Windows experience is similar.

Just use Firefox... No need for more Chromeium forks.

What does “clunky” even mean in this context?

With the massive tide of browsers converting to Chromium under the hood, I wonder how long Apple can hold out. Fingers crossed they keep allocating budget for it.

Apple can hold out indefinitely. If a website doesn't work on Apple devices, that's not Apple's fault, according to legions of Apple users. And they're kinda right: there really are a lot of them, and they do tend to spend more money than other users, so websites that somehow manage to stupidly not work on Safari (presumably by using Chrome-only functionality and never testing) are potentially losing a lot of users and business.

I'm not normally a fan of Apple at all, and I have no interest in using Safari myself, but here I am glad that they've so far refused to jump on the Chrome bandwagon: it's good for keeping the web standards-based so we don't have a repeat of the IE6 days.

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