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This is a fine example of an insane conspiracy theory which nevertheless should not be censored.

What's insane about it, exactly? I mean, almost the entirety of the post is actually just a recitation of observable and verifiable facts.

- Trump disappears from the public eye for the week leading up to Butler

July 9, Doral Fl

- CNN and other mainstream outlets elect to cover the rally after not broadcasting any others

This was discussed on July 9. They were expecting him to announce his running mate. This is why you saw a lot of press at the July 9th rally.

- The Secret Service shoos crowd members farther from the stage and repositions some of the photographers just before the first shots

They reposition people all the time.

The fact that the first two are easily dismissed as a lie, and the third requires evidence from you that the Secret Service routinely do NOT redirect or move people is enough to discredit this. The rest of what you post is mostly purely subjective.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. But I'm not. I saw the videos. I saw the media talking about it and literally explaining why they were paying attention.

Could have used some more precise language w.r.t. Trump "disappearing" from the public eye (there was commentary about it at the time, the usual take being that he was happy to just sit back and let Biden & the Dems self detonate, a single rally during the period in question doesn't change this), or the media coverage (Butler was CNN's first live broadcast of a rally). What the media said about why they were broadcasting the rally is just that, a statement, and it may or may not be aligned with the actual truth (or even understanding of the people making the statement). "The Secret Service repositions" people all the time" is just a banal and unhelpful statement of fact, which dodges the peculiar effect of this particular repositioning in both effect (more visibility for the photographers, less for the crowd/spectators) and timing. I'm in no way obligated to establish that the SS "never repositions people" in order to argue that this is suspicious.

These don't constitute "lies," nor do they excuse your underhanded attempt to dismiss the rest of the list of facts as false (probably because they are indeed quite improbable).

I like how you dismiss the lie to change it completely when someone does what you ask and verifies your claim. So much backpedaling.

You made a bold claim. It was 100% wrong.

Talk about underhanded, I’m not the one lying and then changing my story.

And the media story counters your baseless supposition that it was mysterious as to why the media would start paying attention to him. It was the first rally in a while and it makes sense that they might think he’s there to announce his running mate.

I’ve provided evidence. Put up some of your own that say exactly what you are saying, liar.

"the media _said_ why they were covering the rally, checkmate and QED good sir" lol just pathetic

This is the same set of institutions that insisted from January 6, 2021 until about June of this year that Trump was a literal existential threat to democracy who had attempted to carry out an actual insurrection, and needed to be completely deplatformed. Now, all of a sudden deciding to cover his campaign like it's just one more ordinary old POTUS horse race. Okay.

Your conspiracy theory makes the flat earthers look like Rhodes scholars.

Seriously, you are out of your mind.

It's a far more plausible accounting of the facts than either mainstream narrative (there are two different ones being pitched to the pro- and anti-Trump camps in this case), but you're not going to accept that because of the level of cognitive dissonance it would generate with your existing perceptions of how the world works (particularly the idea that you're too smart to be fooled).

"Flat Earth" isn't an organic thing either, clearly an astroturfed movement meant to give people like you a handy example of why all such questioning is badthought.

You're suggesting that Donald Trump, of all people, willingly put himself in front of a gun and allowed himself to be SHOT AT to increase his street cred.

There were ACTUAL bullets flying at him, as evidenced by the DEAD MAN who was sitting behind him.

You are truly insane.

Now you're assuming I think things I didn't even write.

No, of course Trump didn't allow a shot to be taken anywhere near his head. You are certainly correct that he's a very self-regarding person unlikely to put himself in harm's way (another reason the "fight fight fight" fistpump is incongruent with the presence of a genuine threat). What we saw on his ear was just stage blood.

It's already emerged that there were men with guns in the building directly underneath Crooks, one of them probably fired some rounds into the crowd to give the scene believability. I doubt Crooks was even allowed to get on top of that building and point a rifle with live rounds anywhere in Trump's direction.

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