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> Ukraine should just give up and let Russia have the land they previously seized in the war in the interest of ‘peace’.

Is it really that wild of a take though? The argument as a I understood it was, there's almost no progress being made for Ukraine in taking back that territory. Prolonging the war causes suffering to the young men who have to fight it. So exchange land for peace while still in a strong position instead of current policy of no peace unless a return to original borders.

I don't really see a realistic argument that a Ukrainian counterattack will recover that land.

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It’s an incredibly bad argument, and anyone making it has no business opining on the situation in a public forum. To understand why, you need to read some history. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

Its Russia's collapse that will give Ukraine its land back and make it safe from further predations. Russia has a tendency to hide its weaknesses especially from itself and all those corrupt government officials and militaries are robbing Peter to pay Paul and make everything look hunky-dory. And then somebody invades Kursk.

Putin has one tactic and one tactic only. Double or nothing and push painful consequences down the road. Well, there is an end to this road and it is mighty foggy.

Just let them have the land this time.

Surely they'll settle for that, and never push their borders again.

I don't disagree and I don't think anyone is making the argument that Russia and Putin will be great neighbors from now on.

But no one ever seems to propose that there's still a possibility Ukraine can retake that land. I would definitely like to hear it, but for the most part the border has very slowly been moving in the wrong direction.

Ukraine has been moving into Russia lately.

They’ll retake it at the current pace, but it takes time.

Part of the reason why it isn’t discussed though is 1) Russia gets really freaked out about it, and 2) it’s (somewhat) in Western interests for Ukraine to not ‘win’.

The longer this drags out, the more fucked Russia is. (Also Ukraine long term, but eggs need to be broken to make an omelette!). And from a western perspective, this is a remarkably cheap proxy war.

If we don’t count the damage Russia is doing to us through propaganda and social media manipulation anyway.

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