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I was seriously considering a Model X until Mr. Musk decided to open up on his political ideology..

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That will teach the atmosphere

There’s other EVs out there.

Yeah, but I’ve known others who get an ICE out of spite :)

This attitude reads to me like: only those who agree with you deserve a place in our economy and society.

Huh, where have I heard that before?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/gay-rights...

maybe guys don't want to buy cars that make them unfuckable

Funny, it reads to me like: my money should go where I see fit.

What I see is that people here and on places like Reddit seem to support expression of political views when it is for their side. They wouldn’t take issue with CEOs supporting leftist social justice issues, for example. But when it is a CEO supporting centrist or right-leaning views, they don’t support it. And not just that, but they go out of their way to manufacture outrage or signal their actions in order to suppress their political opposition, who they feel should not be able to express their views. When you can’t handle your opposition’s ideas being aired, you don’t support democracy. Sure you can make the claim that your money should go where you see fit, but it does also mean that you don’t support a society where ideas can be discussed.

> but it does also mean that you don’t support a society where ideas can be discussed.

No, it does not. Not buying something from someone does nothing to impede their right to free speech.

Mr. Musk is free to discuss whatever he wants to. I am free to spend my money like I want to. That’s a part of being in a democracy.

And your argument applies to the right-wing when it comes to left ideology as well. Like the Bud Light boycott.

usually this is because leftist views are inclusionary and supporting diversity and disability, while right wing views are marginalising and hierarchical

> when it is for their side. They wouldn’t take issue with CEOs supporting leftist social justice issues, for example. But when it is a CEO supporting centrist or right-leaning views, they don’t support it.

I want to push back on something here because I am centrist, even right-leaning in some respects. What Elon Musk has done is not normal. Donald Trump is not normal. He is dangerously unfit for office. The tactics he and Musk have engaged in (such as courting and amplifying extremist groups) have nothing to do with ordinary civil discourse between "conservative" and "liberal" philosophy or policy proposals. And it's a false equivalence to suggest that they do.

Hm. But we want "our" leaders to be controversial and to make points, no? To know where they stand and where they want to go to. I need this clear distinction. Before i did not really have a political home, i saw common-sense disappear, that i used to know. But with these controversial voices i got to know so many interesting people and their voices, it helped me a lot to be positive about the future, which i saw dim in the past.

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down!

These people shouldn't complain when their is no creativity left in society.

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