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It’s no secret that huge portion of all students are cheating or plagiarizing - let’s not pretend it’s only international students.

My few data points being a TA for many years at a top engineering school: about 70% of the cases I reported for violations were domestic students.

Depending on the distribution of international / domestic students, this also sounds wild and in congruence with the other commenter.

If there is 10 out of 100 international students, and they do 30% of 10 cases, then 30% (!!) of international students cheat while only 7% of domestic students cheat - in conclusion, international students do most of the cheating.

Regardless of this statistical thought experiment, I don't know what to do of data like this. It is not really ethical to act on it.

This is a silly game. At MIT, 29.1% of students are international. [1]

[1] https://facts.mit.edu/enrollment-statistics/

Same link confirms that only 11% of undergrads are international students.

In my experience as a TA, ChatGPT has leveled the playing field. Previously, some nationalities cheated significantly more often, but now almost everyone (at least 85 %, probably more) cheat with ChatGPT. There is not much point in providing homework assignments anymore.

This makes sense. The easier something is to do, the more likely anyone is to do it.

Yes, given made up numbers you can support an unsubstantiated claim. Let's not do that.

Feel free to plot in your own numbers.

I am sure you are capable to abstract my comment and understand the point.

It is quite natural to explain concepts with made up numbers.

In my CS program, a huge portion of all students were collaborating. Why did you specify international students?

I didn't do CS at university but several uni friends did and nearly all the first year CS students came close to being kicked off the course due to pervasive plagiarism in their submitted course work. That was almost 30 years ago at a well known UK university.

why are you targeting international student? Do you have any sound data to back this up?

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