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but death isn't a system or organism...

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you are an organism that is continually dying.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_succession

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restructuring

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_refactoring

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandava

it's all the same shit

That entirely misses my point. Antifragility is a property complex systems can exhibit. Concept systems can also 'die' but the concept of death isn't itself an example of a complex system.

>but death isn't a system

death is entropy. do you know of a system without entropy?

>or organism...

boy are you going to be surprised when you answer that knock on the door, eh?

Isn’t it definitely not an organism? If death is the inevitable process from order to disorder, isn’t it deeply a-systemic at its core? If it were a system, it would also eventually have to end.

Arguably it does, the heat death of the universe option would spell the end of entropy, and the end of death (unless you believe in a conformal cyclic universe)

Actually yeah fair enough; I’ll grant that death may be a system.

A complex dynamic system has a large number of working parts, and responds in specific ways to inputs and stressors. It just doesn't make sense to think of death itself as a "complex system." They are certainly related- I think death could be seen as an event that irreversibly dismantles a complex system in some way, such that the parts no longer function together as a system.

I was thinking of systems more as just processes that have low-entropy behavior, i.e. those that are predictable in some meaningful way. If one takes the process of death, which is really a behavior of any low-entropy system, to be its own object, I do think that object would be a system under my definition. I agree that yours does not come to the same conclusion, and perhaps my definition of system is too broad.

I didn't say that complex systems can't die, I said death itself is not a complex system. Antifragility is specifically a property or behavior of a complex system. "Death" can't anymore be antifragile than the color red can be.

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