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> As a control question, ask yourself: what was the last show where the villain/antagonist/incompetent people were not white males and the protagonist was not a “diverse” woman.

Ted Lasso, probably their biggest hit? Masters of the Air?

>As a control question, ask yourself: what was the last show where the villain/antagonist/incompetent people were not white males and the protagonist was not a “diverse” woman.

Just as an immediate reaction in the context of this thread: Silo.

Ask yourself: why do you even notice something like this, much less let it ruin your viewing experience? Why does it matter?

> what was the last show where the villain/antagonist/incompetent people were not white males and the protagonist was not a “diverse” woman.

My favorite Apple TV series is actually "Lessons in Chemistry". The protagonist is Brie Larson. 2023 show.

On the sci-fi side, I really enjoyed Apple TV's Silo led by Rebecca Ferguson. Also 2023.

The problem is that the leads are not consistently white enough?

Systematically reversing gender stereotypes to the point of being aggressively regressive is not progressive.

And to many of the current shows being produced, this seems to be more important than actually telling a good story.

And like I said, that is my main issue with these productions.

The color / gender of the main characters in my shows matters as much to me as the brand of car they are driving in the show. Maybe you need to find shows with a better story if you are distracted by that.

> my main issue with these productions.

My main issue is that most of the shows or movies these days are too dark and hard to understand without subtitles.

> hard to understand without subtitles.

My main issue with subtitles is that I don't need the lyrics in the background sound interspersed with the dialog.

In general the subtitle experience is so poor. Bad positioning over the screen, syncing with the audio, or just the complete mismatch between spoken and transcription.

This is the difference between closed captioning and subtitles. If you don't like the music cues or other sounds being transcribed, make sure your not using a closed captioning (CC) subtitle track.

Some shows will have both, some will have just one or another. It various for foreign films. It will be "English (CC)" where you just want "English".

Proper subtitles just include verbal content like dialog or narration.

I've got an auditory processing disorder, and I tend to be glad they include the lyrics... as they're fairly frequently relevant to the plot.

You're flat out wrong, obviously wrong, and trolling via doing a parody of free speech advocates. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962

EDIT: For noworriesnate:

Would politely suggest you re-read: this thread wasn't a generic complaint about Apple TV+, or TV, or Woke, or the MSM, or the Liberals, or the Left, or Commies, or ideological programming, or anything else.

He made a very specific claim and challenge, which I thoroughly responded to, in the link provided. Here it is again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962.

If you'd like to make a more specific claim, I have a feeling you're not mocking free speech advocates like them and will support you against the woke mob

Not really...a lot of people I know would have the same complaint. I think it shows the disconnect between you and OP, not that he's trolling.

OP has not laid out many specific debatable complaints. Mostly that it feels too woke. Could you elaborate on what is specifically upsetting?

People really pay attention to that in 2024? I feel young!

Severance? There are white male and female leads, and the villains are a woman and a black man.

Ted Lasso is definitely a white male protagonist.

Presumed Innocent, The Big Door Prize, Dick Turpin, and this is all just from Apple TV. I think this 'problem' might be imaginary.

And with this, I'm officially comfortable declaring you a troll trying to make free speech advocates look bad.

The claim is absurd at its face. We can double check by visiting https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/originals/filters/series/2024/

- Lady in the Lake (protoganist: Natalie Portman, white girl, competent, no villain)

- Sunny (protoganist: widowed Rashida Jones, white husband died but I don't think that means he was a villain or incompetent)

- Presumed Innocent (protoganist: Jake Gyllenhall, white male DA taking on evil murderer as yet unidentified)

- Trying (white male and white female protoganists, family, def. not villains)

- Acapulco (no villain / antagonist / incompetent Hispanic male protoganist)

- Dark Matter (white male protoganist, no antagonist other than "can i get back to the main timeline", quantum reality exploration)

- Big Door Prize (white male protaganist, not evil or incompoetent, antagonist is a machine)

- Franklin (Ben Franklin biopic, white male)

- Jane (young not-white girl protoganist, poachers are african males)

That's just through end of April. No need to show further.

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