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> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

What that management training course said is true only in a world without camaraderie, solidarity, and collegiality. I wonder if "out of step with the company" necessarily means your peers and colleagues, or shareholders and executives?

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That quote says nothing about where happiness or health lies.

If you love your coworkers, but hate your company's mission, should you stay or leave?

Leave. I’ve never known employees to override the company. More likely you are all a bunch of good guys committing war crimes together. Is that much better?

Leave. You can always hire them/work with them again later (chain hiring of teams is a very common thing even if you're not at a high level), but if you burn out while you're alongside them they might shift their opinion of you...

You should probably leave, because odds are good they're not thinking the same way you're thinking. The mutual aspect is critical; it's a Prisoner's Dilemma.

A society of constant, unthinking defectors, on the other hand, is unsustainable.

You can always hang out with them if you're all in the same area. My experience has been that as long as you filter for good work culture when applying for jobs you'll find a place with good coworkers.

They might be friends, but more often than not, coworkers are NPCs you’ll never hear from again after separating from the org. Certainly keep friends, but don’t sabotage yourself for some mistaken idea of collective and shared struggle. It’s just a job.

> NPCs you’ll never hear from again after separating from the org

Isn't this also on you to maintain those relationships if they're people you care about? And on the same note, if you care about those people you can find ways to keep in touch, like starting a regular group activity.

How much effort would you expect in the current macro? Absolutely, effort is required to maintain relationships, and one must evaluate who is and isn’t worth the investment of time and effort. Some are worth it, some are frankly not. Not from an ROI perspective, but meeting you half way in an adult relationship.

Not many people are willing to put the effort in, in my experience. YMMV. I wish others more favorable outcomes.

No system is perfect, although sitting in the fourth row throughout one's career is a symptom of adaptive preferability.

AI replacing your job has to be experienced with a craned neck - from the front row.

A corporation is not the world. Only a very few are a vehicle for progress.

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