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'... and the problem is: The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither Presidential candidate has any intention of changing that, nor is there majority Congressional support for changing it.'

The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people.

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> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel.

Your friends and people you interact with may be mostly against. It’s not clear that Americans generally are.

Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel, with 36% favoring it, 35% against it, and 29% either on the fence or unsure. Only 22% in the same poll say that Biden is favoring Israel too much.

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i...

Do you and cupertino work in the same office? Both of you are peddling the same talking points. It's the same thing in every israel related thread. All over social media. More american tax dollars at work I suppose.

> Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel

That's embarrassing given the decades long pro-israel propaganda campaign and the nearly 100% political backing.

But me and my 'remarkably absurd logic'. Using my 'remarkably absurd logic', I'm guessing this thread is flagged because the 'antisemites' who run this site don't want to see the outpouring of love of israel. Every israel related thread must be flagged because of the impending pro-israel comments from americans. Right?

Every social media platform censors because they don't want americans to drown israelis with love. It all makes sense now.

On our side we have actual polls, on your side you have a bunch of snide remarks and mental gymnastics.

“In God we trust, all others bring data.” —Deming (maybe)

> On our side we have actual polls

Our side? What side is that? Israel's side?

> on your side you have a bunch of snide remarks and mental gymnastics.

If that was the case, you and your buddy/alt account wouldn't be so frantically responding to me.

> “In God we trust, all others bring data.” —Deming (maybe)

You have to do a poll to see if your parents love you too? If america's support of israel is so apparent, you wouldn't need polls. You certainly wouldn't need to censor so heavily.

This is getting stupid. This is the problem with israel. I don't give a shit about it. America ( at least 99% of it ) has nothing to do with it. And yet, it is wasting so much of my time and america's time. I hope within my lifetime we won't have to waste so much time and resources on a foreign nonsense. Whether that be israel, taiwan, cuba, etc. More importantly, I hope one day americans can express ourselves freely as is our right.

We're not frantic. You can go ahead and stop responding anytime.

"Censor" - I guess that's your term for "disagree." AFAICT you're free to say whatever you like about Israel. Like you're doing right now.

No one has to pay attention to you, though. Maybe that's your idea of censorship.

> Our side? What side is that? Israel's side?

The side of people who recognize that the following statement is false:

> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel.

> If that was the case, you and your buddy/alt account wouldn't be so frantically responding to me.

This is funny because you're responding as fast as both of us put together but somehow we're the "frantic" ones.

The rest is more of the same snide remarks and mental gymnastics so I won't bother responding to it.

> a pretty much even split

that reminds me of the "mostly peaceful protests" in Portland.

Face it: not everyone agrees with you. That's our right.

That's silly. The police were doing a considerable amount of violent suppression of protests in Portland. People even started calling the mayor "tear gas Ted"

The protestors themselves mostly did property crimes though. The "broken windows" crowd and the far right media tried to make this out to be "violence", but even the police-reported violent crime statistics don't really support that view

> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel

Source ? Also the issue of monetary aid is different than general support. I assume many Americans don't want to send billions to Europe/Nato either yet they still support Europe.

Mass censorship and search friction does that to people. So far as the war on empathy goes HN is lost.

> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people.

Conservatives are becoming more isolationist, and would just prefer Arabs and the Middle East descend into a huge war without American involvement. Some liberals take Palestinian sides, but most Americans are actually fairly negative on it right now, with the belief that Hamas is intentionally using its own people as human shields. Politically speaking, there is more sympathy by Americans for Israel than Gaza, but there is a lot of cynicism since it seems like real solutions are not going to happen in our lifetime.

I feel like Americans in general are becoming more isolationist. Historically, that's been America's bend anyway. It always took being attacked or being sold on threats by career politicians to get involved in the world. And that's a privileged and great place to be!

Personally, I'm against it. It's hard to cosign letting the Taliban redo gender apartheid in Afghanistan and banning education for girls and all the rest. But, if Americans are determined to live in a "nuclear-armed Switzerland", interventionism won't work anyway since it needs political will to succeed (see Afghanistan)... sooo I guess I'm an begrudging isolationist too now.

One of the nice things about moving to EVs is not caring so much about the price of oil anymore. America is one of the countries less enthusiastic about that (since we produce lots of oil), but other countries not caring so much about the Middle East anymore would probably actually make it a more peaceful than it is now.

> The american people are mostly against israel

I'm afraid you're going to need some support for that statement.

https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-p...

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