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and also you have to copy (probably allocating) to get a substring.

Only if you want a substring with separate ownership though - a string_view doesn't have to be NUL-terminated.

If you want to pass the string_view to some API that expects NULL terminated strings, then a copy is necessary (well, maybe is some cases you can cheat by writing a NULL in the string and remembering the original character, and then after the API call restore the character).

This isn't as much a fault of a string_view type of mechanism, but rather API's wanting NULL terminated strings. Which are kind of hard to avoid on mainstream systems today, even at the syscall interface. Oh well..

Sure, but the thread here was about the forced NUL-terminator in std::string and the costs associated with that. If you want a NUL-terminator (e.g. for use with a C API) then you have to pay the copy (and in the general case, allocation) cost for substrings no matter how your internal strings look (unless you can munge the original string) and std::string is exactly the right abstraction for you.

But yeah, it would be nice if the kernel and POSIX APIs had better support for pointer+size strings.

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