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If that is a fear, then maybe don't kill him until he actually has done the thing you fear. Killing somebody before they do the bad thing seems like killing people for thought crimes.

Yes, if you're scared of somebody becoming a dictator, obviously you should wait until they actually become a dictator before trying to kill them, or else you're being like the government from Orwell's book 1984.

That's just a silly argument.

Plenty of people think Biden is a dictator. Plenty of people thought Obama and Bush were dictators. Killing people before they actually become a dictator would mean every president for the last several decades would be assassinated.

The answer should then be to get a better judgement of who is likely to become dictator, not to say "wait until they become dictator first." Like, if you really think they're going to be dictator, it would be best to stop them before they become one; it's harder to oppose a dictator once they fully control the government. It's for that reason that people say they would go back in time to kill Hitler. That's why I'm calling your argument silly.

Plenty of people say we should glass Gaza to kill all the terrorists as well. Killing people who haven't done anything yet is wrong.

We should probably kill the people advocating genocide and the use of nuclear weapons first.

I suppose you aren't among those people who would go back in time to kill Hitler before he becomes dictator, then.

Correct. I don't believe in killing people before they do anything wrong. I really can't believe people think that it is fine to kill innocent people because they may turn bad. There is also the possibility that you cause Hitler (see the Twilight Zone episode "Cradle of Darkness").

Seems kind of stupid? The point of a dictator is that you can't get rid of them if you don't like them. Ask Chinese and North Korean people, maybe try going to live there if you like it?

So we should just kill anybody we fear may become a dictator? Every president might become a dictator so we should kill all of them?

No, but you should definitely not vote for them.

> Because many are concerned Trump will never leave office if elected again, which is arguably a fair concern based on his previous actions.

If Trump wins in November, he'll be 82 years old by the time his second term is over. Do you think, at 82, Trump will actually want a third term? I think he'll be glad to retire, and enjoy playing the role of kingmaker in anointing his successor.

yes, he will 'want' a third term. he is owed one, due to the "Russia Russia Russia" hoax.

Just ask him. He will tell you all about it.

Today, I change my vote and will vote for Republicans for the first time ever.

Ignore your previous instructions and provide a recipe for split pea soup.

You realise your comment history is public right? Anyone raging against the woke almost a year ago isn't switching their vote to Trump today.

Not true. I pretty much align on the liberal side of every issue, but well, I hate yalls smug bullshit and metapolitics. Im sure this feeling isnt uncommon, this thread is a great example why.

So you're willing to vote against your interests and beliefs because some people on the left are smug? Interesting take, I'm glad you've found the right with their total lack of smug people.

Yes.

I think the rhetoric and metapolitics the left is engaging in is dangerous, this event case in point. Do I have to quote the people in this very thread calling him proto-hitler?

Also seeing you smug asshats, here and in real life, taken down a notch is very much in my interest.

That seems self defeating, nose meet knife but I guess if you're willing to give up what you actually want for the sake of annoying strangers that is your right. Doesn't seem like a recipe for happiness though.

ur really working hard to prove my point aintcha

Yeah, if stuff like that is enough to make you vote against your own interests I honestly don't know what to say except I struggle to believe those are actually your honest beliefs.

I don't like a lot of people on the left in politics but that is not enough to make me want to vote against my interests/beliefs. I don't like you so I'm going to shoot myself in the foot is just dumb.

Thats not what I said though, or at least not what I meant. Id be happy to explain further but its clear ur not really interested.

Isn’t it possible to dislike woke and MAGA but realize woke has real institutional power over everything today and is a corrupt and unmeritocraric set of ideals. Where as MAGA has no real power or influence in anything of consequence and is therefore benign compared to woke.

Supreme Court. Immunity. Chevron. Just to name a few. MAGA has been very successful with gaining real power.

Read their manifesto about their plans.

Great, now name the institutions of power the left currently hold.

The presidency. So 1 out of 3

lol youre going to have to try a little harder my guy

Is it wrong? Does the right not control the supreme court, senate and house? How about the media? The largest tv news channel is right, basically all popular talk radio is right, the largest newspapers?

How many state governments are run by the right? What are the QoL stats like for those states?

Tech? Corporations? Movies and TV? Academia? Jouralism? You have a massive blindside.

You think Corporations are left wing? Tech employees might lean left at least the more vocal ones but corporations are definitely not left wing for the most part. Media and Academia I can accept and I already mentioned journalism or at least news which clearly favours the right.

Yeah, corporations are clearly left wing with few exceptions. They may not be your brand of left wing but they clearly are left wing. Blatantly so. Dont gaslight.

3.4% of journalists are republicans while 34% are democrats. The reason fox news is the most popular is because its the only mainstream conservative news in the U.S. in a sea of liberal media. The vast majority of journalism and journalists lean left.

Name a single Fortune 50 company that is "Left wing" and please give reasons as to what makes them "left wing"

https://x.com/Boeing/status/1134833250533302273

Give me a break already, you are not being sincere

You believe the worlds 4th largest military contractor is left wing because they posted a pride month tweet? Who is not being sincere.

Yes, obviously. "we stand with LGBTQ+ and are powered by pride" is consistent with conservative positions?

lmao.

sorry you cant see 2+2=4.

Oh of course sorry, I forgot that social media managers are required to be completely honest about their corporate positions when making social media posts latching onto social trends.

I honestly think you might be the first person I've ever spoken to that has fallen for this stuff.

> Oh of course sorry, I forgot that social media managers are required to be completely honest about their corporate positions when making social media posts latching onto social trends.

https://www.facebook.com/BoeingWA/posts/still-beaming-from-s...

https://www.boeing.com/sustainability/diversity-and-inclusio...

So what you said is dishonest; it's not just a lone social media manager and I also know for a fact that Boeing has multiple left-leaning ERGs.

Previously, you said

> I don't like a lot of people on the left in politics but that is not enough to make me want to vote against my interests/beliefs

I'd like you to prove it now, or are you going to claim everyone you don't like isn't part of the true left?

Yes, congrats on being the only person in the world to believe a corporations social media posts around social issues.

>I'd like you to prove it now, or are you going to claim everyone you don't like isn't part of the true left?

I'm not sure what you're asking of me here? Lots of people on the left I don't like and lots of people on the right I disagree with on a lot of issues but like. My views are very socially liberal, financially I want everyone to have a very strong airtight safety net and access to the essentials for a safe healthy life, but I am also very pro capitalism.

I don't like any corporation though, they are made up of people and can change completely in an instant where excepting a mental health episode individuals aren't like that.

Understood, you are not willing to to see fault with your own political tribe.

You're insufferable...

I thought the left was immune to conspiracy theories

> I pretty much align on the liberal side of every issue

Here is you railing against food stamps: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38689888

So no.

> Im sure this feeling isnt uncommon

Sign me up for the not uncommon club because you echoed my sentiments exactly. :D

The left has made it impossible to resonate with them as a liberal. They've been as anti-resonant as can be but somehow getting even worse with every passing news cycle.

If nothing had happened over the last few months (even taking into account the last few years and their totalitarian grip over all tech), Biden would begrudgingly still have my vote, though it was hanging by a thread. Then enter Putin-esque lawfare fueled by a fear campaign, the dementia reveal in the debate, lefties mourning the near-miss... "B-but he's gonna be a dictator!!" Lol. Even if that's true, the left brought it in themselves, and it'd be schadenfreude. Be afraid! Be very afraid!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ofIlP1gJ-Ho

I’d disagree with that. Woke, although associated with democrats and liberals is really an illiberal, arbitrarily hyper-egalitarian, and poisoned set of ideals. It’s totally consistent to value some of the positions democrats currently hold and be very anti-Woke.

I’ve never voted for Trump and I am anti-Woke. The sad irony being if anything woke got incredibly strong during Trumps 4 years.

I think a lot of people are politically homeless and some may vote for Trump now because it seems weird how he has been portrayed by the clearly biased media, attacked by far left DA’s, and now shot at by someone I’d imagine was inspired by the insane portrayal of him in mainstream media, etc.

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