IIRC teenagers/children suffer greatly
from this at the morning,
with none of them being "morning people",
as this is likely some 'learned habit'
driven into people by force.
https://time.com/6206470/school-start-times-research/
Summer time in winter would mean getting up 1h earlier, in most locations.
EDIT: for those questioning the effect, because “school would still start at the same time (7:45 am)”.
Imagine if we didn’t change 1 hour but instead 12h, and then still says: “why don’t get up? My clock says it’s 7 am!”
We do have biological clocks and ideally these are in sync with our real world clocks.
As long as I can wake up consistently at the same time and not have my sleep schedule destroyed for a couple of weeks twice per year. This clock changing business really messes me up and I see no actual benefit of it today.
Even in summer, I wake just before the beginning of civil twilight.
Needless to say, a late night for me is 10 pm.
Actually Spain seems far better than England, as the daylight is more in line with sleeping hours. If the sunrise is 7am in Spain when it's 6 am in London.
At the end of the day, time is just a number and we are able to adjust to it changing twice a year with relative ease. If you want to sleep longer, go to bed an hour earlier.
I think it's reasonable to assume the school will be starting at roughly the same clock time in all scenarios. That's the entire point of choosing between permanent winter and permanent summer time, isn't it?
So if you extend summer time into the months where the sun is already late to rise, now days that started at a nice hour have to start at the crack of dawn, days that started at the crack of dawn have to start an hour before dawn, and days that started long before dawn get even further before dawn.
What am I missing haha?
In other words, they need that early morning sunlight to help keep a healthy schedule. It's not wasted.
this is the part that I don't get.
So a teenager needs a later schoolday because they're night owls. 100% agreed with that. But why would they need the early morning daylight? They'll sleep that sunlight away anyway!
Wouldn't a shift to a later schoolday, with the DST shift of a later sunrise later, not complement each other very well? Rather than say, just shifting the schoolday later, but then have all that sunlight in the early morning when they are still sleeping.
Not any more: it's better to sleep as much as possible during daylight hours, and spend more of your time outside after the sun has gone down.
The reason for this should be obvious by looking at any current weather report.
I mean sure changing the clocks for DST is silly and we should stop, but the discussions are almost always really about “everyone hates waking up super early for work and school”. We can fix this without changing our clocks.
But school would start at the same time regardless. They'd still have to show up at 7:45 AM in the summer and the winter. (And 9-5s would still be 9-5s.)
Year-round summer time does mean more daylight to enjoy after work, which would probably be an economic boon to stores and restaurants if it enhances after work leisure.
Are you suggesting that the sun is irrelevant to whether someone is a morning person, and only the time on the clock matters?
That wasn't my original argument at all, but yes - I'll argue this too.
I'm always sleepy in the "mornings" and get my best work done after I've been awake a while. It probably has more to do with metabolic flux than daylight.
I've occasionally worked so hard on things that I've had my schedule "wrap around" the clock, yet I still get the most work done in the back half of my day.