This is also why I prefer pneumatic cannons to combustion. Since there's not a quick spike in pressure from a combustion reaction, the maximum pressure that needs to be contained is lower (and you can measure it with a gauge as you're pumping the air tank up). Also if you make the air tank big enough, the pressure behind the projectile stays high for longer, so you tend to get higher velocities.
When I was in high school I made a potato cannon, played around with it in the woods with some friends, and then told my parents about it. My mom wasn't too happy, but my dad took it as a challenge. He built an even more powerful pneumatic version with a tripod, sights, and a solenoid trigger mechanism. The whole family loved it. I used some extra PVC pipe to make molds for cement slugs. With a little paper wadding to get a good seal, they'd go fast enough to embed themselves a couple feet into the side of a hill. It was spectacular.
One example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-teen-gravely-injured-by-h...
1. We strengthen the pressure vessel enough so that it gives way at higher pressure, making a "stronger bomb"
2. We strengthen the pressure vessel enough so that it doesn't give way, making it not a bomb at all.
It's not at all clear if the duct tape will do 1 or 2 or something else, and this first-order logic / first-impressions design doesn't smell to me like a rigorous solution.
I thought, for safety reasons, it was worth replying to the comment suggesting to wrap "a ton of" tape around it. At the time I replied there were no other replies.
Not trying to win a debate with you. Just trying to share that it could be a bad idea. Rather than just assuming that making the shards less sharp or fragmented was the only possible outcome.
You're replying reasonably and I'm dragging that into my top-level comment about rigor. Impedance mismatch.
This is something I would suggest buyers do at every store they shop at.
Strange, since combustion based cannons tend to reach about 30 to 40 psi at most, while pneumatic easily can reach 100 psi.
It was terrifyingly loud. We'd wrap stones in duct tape, spray them with oil, then shoot them through sheet metal. Put a few through some old steel chairs. Tore the cover off some golf balls.
I suspect it may have reached higher pressures than my bike tires, but I never really considered trying to measure it.
Butane and propane can easily produce > 100 psi when used in engines, and are commonly used as replacement for gasoline and other hydrocarbons in generators and fork lifts to do just that.
In a confined enclosure (potato gets stuck or the like), it’s a pipe bomb.
Quite effectively too.
There is also some nice research on proper high explosive detonation of similar mixes when using proper detonators.
It requires rather extreme amount of willful ignorance to think lighting a mixture of oxygen and butane or propane inside a enclosed space is only going to be 30-40 psi maximum, instead of ‘thank god it only hit that maybe because the potato moved’.
[https://colab.ws/articles/10.1134/s0010508211010114]
There was a good research paper I found that had a quantified set of numbers, but it required paying for it. Meh.
Still waiting for that cite.
[https://parts.spearsmfg.com/sourcebook/SCH40TECH_40WHTPIPE-1...]
And as noted in the prior declassified paper, shock fronts from these mixtures can easily move in excess of 280 meters/second even unconfined in air, with the right mixes.
Goofy? Perhaps. Life altering? Perhaps [https://youtu.be/KqstP9ics2A?si=Omtp8N7xPW91A5TU] - and yes, while many of those failures in the video are clearly due to improper glued joints (which is a big hint at the pressures involved, and way better than other kinds of failures!), many also involve the PVC shattering. Several in the first few minutes, actually.
I made a ton of potato guns as a kid, btw. Typically using propane. But I always respected the forces involved, because I wanted to not lose an eye, kill anyone, etc.
Looks like some enterprising MIT alumni + the air force academy did some internal ballistics reseaerch [https://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.0966].
Note - I highly recommend against using acetylene, which they did for some of the tests, as it will perform a proper super-sonic detonation [https://www.icheme.org/media/10611/iv-paper-08.pdf] under the right conditions and turn your potato cannon into an IED even if the projectile moves, or potentially even with no projectile at all. Per that paper - “It appears that Acetylene is unique in that it will propagate a detonation at initial pressures below those of which it is capable of sustaining deflagration”. I would have checked this paper which even more directly addresses the topic [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02671917] (because I love this kind of thing, obviously), but $40. :(
So looks like as long as everything goes well, they are in the approximate range of 20 psi while driving the projectile, except for acetylene which hit a hair under 90 psi. They used stoichiometrically ‘perfect’ mixes.
My guess is the failures in the videos (and anecdotally) were driven by too lean fuel mixtures, easy to do in some conditions. But this paper [https://www.scientificbulletin.upb.ro/rev_docs_arhiva/full14...] seems to indicate the opposite, and also pressures >= 120 PSI. So I don’t know.
I also saw MAPP gas apparently being used in one of them too (the yellow cylinder attached to a plumbing torch), which would also be unwise.
Maybe not yours, but we tapped ours. This held the potato near the chamber after compressing the gasoline-air mix. I have no idea how well it held, but if you didn't seat the potato into the threads it would push the broom back out. You'd hear a poor seal leaking.
We had a couple incidents and nobody got really hurt, but later I came to the same feeling of 'fun, but no thanks'
That's enough to possibly kill someone if it hits their chest.
When I was a kid, my uncle absolutely shredded his kids’ plastic playplace (his kids, my cousins, were accomplices rather than victims). But those holes were 6 inches circular and even broke some chunks of brick wall (less impressive).
I evolved it to pneumatic with my friends, and frankly that scared the crap out of us more. In retrospect, must have felt sort of like the uneasiness of being on the Titan. At any moment pressure could have instantly exploded us. Eyes, guts, something bad.
However, it was totally kosher! ;p We had denim jeans and duct tape around the combustion/compression chamber, like the internet said.
I think my friend claimed he smoked banana peel from the Anarchist’s Cookbook around the same time. True science, really.
(Haha… it was scary as hell, and we stopped after a few weeks of terrifying afterschool experiments. The banana kid also claimed he was making a nuclear weapon after stealing plutonium from “this science guy’s house”)
PS: none of us ever wore safety glasses. Dumb luck, emphasis on dumb.
But today of course it would be a problem cause its guns and a problem because its a waste of food.