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Being a constructive part of a democracy is not just standing in the way of every change without budging. It's also about solving problems and finding solutions. Most social and technological issues will not just magically go away if you wait and ignore them to the best of your ability.

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I believe standing in the way of mass surveillance is always constructive for democracy. Spying on the private communications of nearly every person is fundamentally incompatible with a free and democratic society.

And, notably, in any kind of government, a group with temporary political power will naturally want to optimize for the preservation of that power. A dampening function that resists rapid change, and specifically resists things like mass surveillance that can distort democratic processes, is a feature, not a bug.

What's even worse would be enforcing the wrong solution that will cause more damage. The French have a saying, fuite en avant (lit. escape forwards) when someone insists on doing something knowing full well that it will not work but they do it anyways because it's better than inaction.

Considering the rise of the far right in the last EU elections, anyone who's seriously considering weakening public encryption must be out of their minds.

child abuse is not a technological issue, but a societal one. Child abuse won't stop or even be reduced by running a hash lookup or an AI model prediction before every single time a picture is sent in a chat platform. It will just introduce a new layer of complexity that bad actors can abuse.

And easily bypass too.

That is a general statement that does not apply here. This "solution" would have created tens of thousands of false positives, which means the victims, even if not prosecuted, would have been put on an observation list for life.

The "solution" would have been abused for other surveillance or been used as a rationale for even more surveillance.

It is a social issue that does not have technical solutions. The worst abuse cases (like the horrific Regensburg Dome boys choir case: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/18/boys-abused-ge...) occurred before the Internet. If the EU is so interested in the issue, how about prosecuting known cases instead of a half apology. Chat Control could have done exactly nothing here.

tens of thousands false positives only? I think you are severely underestimating the number of messages exchanged each and every day in the EU.

I think the number of false positives would be in the millions after a few weeks if not a few days.

That is why such a system is simply not workable.

The point is adding a centralized control structure in front of E2E encrypted traffic fundamentally undermines the principals that make E2E work. It creates a massive centralized point of failure, creating an obvious and fundamentally brittle target for hackers to exploit in what's otherwise our only effective privacy and security measures.

There will always be tradeoffs between security/privacy and enforcement. There are ways to target harmful content without undermining E2E. There is no way to replace the privacy and security guarantees of E2E.

There is nothing technologically that you can do to permanently stop CSAM on the internet technically or legally, they will find a way technically to put it out there. Certainly sacrificing all privacy for a half billion people isn’t the way to go about it. It would seem that it’s a societal moral/mental health problem that causes this, as long as that persists then CSAM will exist and they will always find a new underground network for it.

The problem you're hinting at being what? The fact that people use messengers to coordinate crimes?

You might wanna consider that the people you critique here already weighed the pros and cons of the question. E.g. I am pretty convinced some crimes are also discussed in European bedrooms while people have sex. Yet for some reason I believe the police should not be allowed to spy and listen to things happening in every bedroom indiscriminately.

In a world of AI you either have private communications or you don't. In the analog world of the past surveillance systems were still limited by the number of people you had to employ to listen in on your population. This is no longer the case. And that no longer being the case shifts the power dynamic between the state and its citizens in favour of the state. This can be a real problem if you you trust your state, but becomes a terrible problem once you have people in power who don't believe the people are entitled to choosing their leaders.

I don't buy that police is suddenly unable to figure out crimes just because they are unable to read every conversation people have on messengers. If you want total safety and you're so frigthened of the world that you long for a all powerful leader that has insight into all our lives, I got bad news. Historically that kind of arrangment hasn't been particularily safe or stable, because such a leader doesn't care about people doing a good job, he cares about having loyal people around him. And that means all the lower ranking people will be left to fight among themselves, as police is no longer doing the job of keeping people safe, but the job of keeping governments safe.

Our democratic systems are brittle and every power you give to the state or other actors needs to be considered in its consequences.

Correct, but this is not a solution. Life imprisonment for pedos is. Execution would be better but that’s never going to fly

You sound like an awful human being.

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