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What really gets me with these types of "safety" proposals is that we already have quite some ways to get someone's private information and communication if they are being investigated. Has everyone forgotten that? All that these wide reaching laws do is to allow for governments to investigate without substantiated reasons.

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I'm fact even the German police force said that this law isn't necessary and they have all the tools they need to investigate.

Keen to read a source on this, as this would be valuable to bring up whenever new data harvesting measures are on the table.

Chat Control is explicitly a proposal for a new mass surveillance mechanism, not a mechanism for targeted surveillance of a person suspected of a crime.

Yep, same thing in most countries. Their exists a legal method to do it if they can get a warrant.... Or a FISA court order.....or a National Security Letter....or they can get around the need for this via just paying some data company or the company to access your data....

> What really gets me with these types of "safety" proposals is that we already have quite some ways to get someone's private information and communication if they are being investigated

How does that work if I'm using an E2E encrypted messaging app?

Traffic analysis also exists.

"Every time a message goes from X to Y, suddenly Y does (thing) a day later"

And then investigate from there.

Same way it works if you're posting letters: the powers-that-be apply for a warrant to search for evidence.

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