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thanks but no thanks, I really like vanilla gnome UI. I understand some people will keep complaining, but probably those are the same people who never even put a bit of effort to try and understand the concept of the new gnome desktop. Still, choice is good, and its great we can have this extensions.

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AFAIK GNOME did not did any real, comprehensive user testing or survey before removing stuff and changing things, what sucks is that GNJOME users like you dismiss other GNOME users that give feedback. Sometimes this projects get under the control of some big ego person or group that push their "vision", this people are incompetent and refuse to accept their stuff has flaws and you get this negativity.

This happen in KDE Plasma too, there was there a guy with big ego too, he created the thing called a "cachew" and refused to give the option to hide it , yeah a KDE guy with a GNOME mentality, but in the end the guy was gone and normality was restored , not even you have the option to hide the crap, it is GONE now https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/kde-kills-desktop-toolbo...

I hope GNOME also will get rid of big ego people and Red Hat manages to hire competent designers , developers and honest PR people .

This has been an issue since gnome shell was released, I don't believe it will get any better from now on.

Can you explain exactly who the ego individuals and groups are within GNOME right now?

GNOME works great for me.

I stopped following GNOME and Linux drama so I can't name the people, there was the designer that had no idea what XFCE is, the PR guys that were lying that GNOME has no File Picker with thumbnails because it is not the GNOME way and later it surfaced that they would love the feature but they are incapable of implementing it.

So the GNOME guys were explaining the GNOME way to upload a image, it was something about using the File Manager to browse the iamges and then D&D the image in the browser and they claimed that it was the superior way (like all GNOME workflows all are superior).

The guy that refused to allow GNOME to be customized, he wanted like Apple to force the superior GNOME color scheme and wallpaper on users, he failed to see that the hard core GNOME fans are split in distros and each distro has a different brand color and the "superior GNOME experience" where a guy chooses the best color by forcing it on everyone his personal opinion was dropped a bit, though there is still a group of big egos dudes that are still trying to force apps to not be customizable.

Also I did not named the big ego KDE Plasma guy even if I still remember him, and his stupid refusal to give us the option to hide the cachew, don't want to name hi, probably he forgot by now about his assholery and hopefully is not an asshole with other people still .

I regret even asking this question.

Won't name him but there is an specific Gnome developer who has become a lolcow on the level of Terry Davis in computing related image boards due to his huge ego and arrogant behavior. Aside from Terry himself I have never seen something like that before and it should tell you something about his attitude, he is not the sole offender from the gnome team just the most prominent one.

> the same people who never even put a bit of effort to try and understand the concept of the new gnome desktop

Why are you so dismissive? A desktop environment should aid intuitively the user, not have the user search for information to "get" the desktop.

These are probably the people that still haven't been for long on the GNOME train, and still trying to make it fit their classical interpretation of a desktop. It's classic for a reason, because it worked, and GNOME 2 was peak GNOME.

It's just a matter of time before they stop fighting it and switch to a different DE, or accept the default. And when that group settles, you're going to have another influx of GNOME users, that don't get why it doesn't behave like a classic DE and will try to tweak it to match one.

This is the major frustration I have with GNOME. I mostly like GNOME and I've been using it for years. Most of the time without extensions. The trackpad controls are great and it's the closest thing we have to macOS.

That said, there are quite a few number of issues that stick out like a sore thumb, only to find that it's not a problem that the community is willing to recognize, let alone fix. I look at the issues and every time I see it getting dismissed as a me issue. That users like me are absolutely clueless. It drives me nuts, and I find myself considering a switch to Plasma even though it's too Windows-y for my taste.

> I understand some people will keep complaining, but probably those are the same people who never even put a bit of effort to try and understand the concept of the new gnome desktop.

Is it not possible that they understand GNOME just fine and still don't agree with its design decisions?

possible but not likely. There're countless other DE that adhere to that "standard" way, why insisting on gnome, and then force it to be like everything else?

I could easily imagine a person who thought that GNOME was 99% good but wanted one thing changed, and this doesn't require said person to lack understanding.

>>some people

Most downloaded gnome shell extensions[0]:

2. Dash to Dock

4. Dash to Panel

6. Apps Menu

I get where you are coming from and I am in the same boat. However, marginalizing everything simply because of the GnomeWay™ is counterproductive.

[0]https://extensions.gnome.org/#sort=downloads

Devils advocate that them being popular does not mean they’re necessarily solving a serious problem. Coming into gnome I used these because community consensus seemed to be they were essential (and still is).

2 weeks of forcing myself to do a trial of vanilla a couple years ago and I completely flipped on most of those “essential” plugins that I’d installed by default for years.

>> It still shows real grievances of real users (combined 13643662 installations) that usually get happily ignored or marginalized by gnome enthusiasts.

hi@

Also Ubuntu/PopOs... why is it so hard to just admit that there is a problem? The cognitive dissonance is always flabbergasting when interacting with the gnome community.

That doesn't take into account the people who use no extensions, probably the vast majority.

It still shows real grievances of real users (combined 13643662 installations) that usually get happily ignored or marginalized by gnome enthusiasts.

hi@

Ubuntu, probably the most popular distro, has this type of extension as a default.

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