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https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2024022...

Considering that long Covid was a thing even before the vaccines were released, I'd say that if any cases were "mRNA vaccine damage", the number would be vanishingly small.

Because "vaccine damage" isn't really a thing. At least not on the level the fucking idiots who believe in it would have you think. I mean, sure, allergies exist. And nothing is 100% safe, not even water nor the air you breathe. But vaccines are likely safer than a lot of things we do every day.

Vaccines inject a measured quantity of antigen into your body.

The virus injects a massive quantity of antigens into your body.

If vaccines cause side effects, the side effects from the virus itself should be much worse.

It’s possible Covid and the vaccine could cause lung Covid. And it could be that getting the vaccine after you had Covid increases the chances of having long Covid. The next time you get infection. But we don’t know because no one studying in this.

And vaccine damage is a thing. They’re currently paying people for vaccine damage in the UK. A few of them got through already. One guy Had to get his leg amputated.

You shouldn’t minimize the risks of the vaccines because there are risks. I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I just wanna know the risks of any drug I’m taking.

3 quick points:

- It's also possible that the covid vaccines don't contribute to long covid.

- Some people have problems with vaccines, but don't push it. People are not losing their legs left and right.

- It's good to understand the risks of taking drugs (while keeping in mind our own limitations on the subject), but it's also important to understand the risks of not taking said drugs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10022421/

Until 2022: "A total of 81 articles analyzed confirmed cardiovascular complications post‐COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines in 17,636 individuals and reported 284 deaths with any mRNA vaccine. Of 17,636 cardiovascular events with any mRNA vaccine, 17,192 were observed with the BNT162b2 (Pfizer−BioNTech) vaccine, 444 events with mRNA‐1273 (Moderna). "

Search on Rumble/bitchute for the Senator Ron Johnson hearing featuring vaccine-injured from the original Pfizer vaccine trial, whose injuries were then excluded from the trial results despite clearly having been caused by the vaccine.

Considering how limited the trials were, it's difficult to conclude the wider number would be vanishingly small, given even just one or two incorrect exclusions of vaccine-caused injury, which could reasonably happen even by chance.

Given the context that Pfizer has been repeatedly tried and criminally convicted for highly unethical practices and fined in the billions for it - along with the rest of big-pharma - it's unfair to regard the suspicious as "fucking idiots".

Certainly, the characterisation offends me, as I personally know multiple people who were definitely injured directly by the COVID vaccine, of every major variety: Pfizer, Astra Zeneca, and Moderna.

Statistically, that should simply not be the case, were these "mRNA" injections as safe as they were marketed to be.

There was a substack where someone took the deaths during Pfizer's trial (the same one where 95% effective came from) and compared it to the CDC's estimate of number of injections to prevent a death, they came up with something insane like 5 vaccine-caused deaths to prevent 1 virus-caused death. Major caveats were included because all the numbers were small (IIRC it was 16 deaths in the vaccine group and 14 deaths in the control group, for example), but it otherwise checked out.

That said, also keep in mind the much-touted 95% effective came from 8 and 170 cases out of around 40000 participants.

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