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Yes! And the best part of that feature:

> Andy had given Kelly a rough idea of how we were getting so much detail through the system: spooling. Kelly asked Andy if he understood correctly that any move forward or backward in a level entailed loading in new data, a CD “hit.” Andy proudly stated that indeed it did. Kelly asked how many of these CD hits Andy thought a gamer that finished Crash would have. Andy did some thinking and off the top of his head said “Roughly 120,000.” Kelly became very silent for a moment and then quietly mumbled “the PlayStation CD drive is ‘rated’ for 70,000.”

> Kelly thought some more and said “let’s not mention that to anyone” and went back to get Sony on board with Crash.

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Why did it work, though? Wouldn't the disks die halfway through the game? Did they end up cutting / optimizing the feature?

The rating was the minimum number of reads the motors in the CD drive of the Playstation would work for. Most likely, the rating was really low compared to what the drives could actually do.

It might not have hah. Early version Playstation 1 consoles had notoriously bad CD drives that failed all the time. It had something to do with poor quality plastic gearing on the laser carrier or something.

Would certainly be interesting to compare Crash Bandicoot playtime on failed vs. working units.

Limit is not on "reads", but seeks - its about sled wear. Sony infamously used plastic laser sled skid in first revisions.

https://github.com/JonathanDotCel/psx_clean_laser_mirror

https://psxplanetcodes.tripod.com/repair.htm

Plastic, unlike brass, wears out quickly due to friction. Quickest test was flipping PSX upside down, worn out sled unit would start playing perfectly again in this orientation.

so Yes, there was a rather low seek (move up and down) limit on first units caused by cheap design and inferior manufacturing process.

An anecdote: I regularly played Crash Bandicoot with my family while young on a PlayStation, and our device always had disc drive issues. Pretty sure we even went through two PlayStations while playing that game lol. Still loved it!

I don't understand what that means. 70k per what? 120k per what? What is a "hit"? A read operation?

I would interpret it as completing the game requires 120,000 disk read operations, but the CD drive may fail after just 70,000 read operations.

70k per lifetime of the CD drive. 120k per complete playthrough of the game. A hit is reading from the CD.

Looking at the data sheet for a contemporary Sony CD-ROM mechanism

◆ Service life of feed motor

The current consumption of feed motor must be less than initial value plus 30% after 50,000 cycles. (1cycle : innermost track → outermost track → innermost track)

◆ Service life of limit switch

The contact resistance must be less than 100mΩ after 50,000 cycles. (1cycle : innermost track → outermost track → innermost track)

◆ Pick-up slide operation

The pick-up should operate perfectly after 50,000 cycles. (1cycle : innermost track → outermost track → innermost track)

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