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> and OpenAI won’t store requests.

What's a promise from Sam Altman worth, again?

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That's not a "promise from Sam Altman", that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC.

So I think it's worth as much as Apple is willing to spend enforcing it, which I imagine would be quite a bit.

Idk about Sam Altman in particular, but OpenAI pulled the bait-and-switch you can still see in its name. We don't know what the contract says exactly, but there are always loopholes, and I would not assume anything OpenAI says to be in good faith.

I also don't really care, but it's understandable why some people do.

> that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC.

do you have a source on this or are you just assuming?

Do you think this is all running off the standard openai API and they picked a dev at random in Apple to use their accounts API keys?

Of course there is some agreement…

It would be a very surprising business arrangement if that was not explicitly called out. Apple is not going to leave this to chance.

> Apple is not going to leave this to chance.

How much would you be willing to bet, on a statement like this? I love a sporting chance.

If we find out in the next 12 months that OpenAI has been storing requests from Apple/Siri AND Apple doesn't come down on them with a 10 ton lawyer hammer, I'll pay you $500.

Can you match it the other way around? :)

crickets from OP

I will bet around $10,000 FWIW.

Even if the promise were made in good faith, I fear it may be hard to resist pressure from law enforcement etc.

If Apple is sitting in the middle proxying the IP addresses, and not keeping any logs for longer than they absolutely need to, law enforcement could go pee up a rope, right?

You'd hope so, but corporate resistance against domestic intelligence has a bumpy track record: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...

That's just the enterprise guarantee. The same applies to Azure OpenAI services and the API services provided by OpenAI directly.

What broken Sam Altman promises are you referring to?

Personally I would say the disparity between what was in their founding agreement "be open-source—freely and publicly available for anyone to use, modify and distribute" https://archive.ph/R0LBL to the current state of affairs.

But I guess the list of grievances could be longer:

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/what-should-we-learn-from-...

Leaving OpenAI, for one.

The promise is from Apple, not OpenAI, and likely contractual.

If OpenAI actually went against that, Apple would unleash the mother of all lawsuits.

Tim Cook doesn't seem to mind hanging his reputation on sama's promise, so at least that's something

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