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In my de-Googling process, I switched to Fastmail. I think they have a pretty good email, calendar, contacts, and notes interface.

It has a quick and easy Gmail importer. I also gave it access to my Gmail account to pull emails whenever someone emails my old email so I can let them know I switched emails. All I get now from my old gmail account is spam, but I'm holding on for at least another year to make sure I don't miss anything or anyone who hasn't updated my address. (I use a personal domain so I won't have such problems in the future if I change providers.)

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It's frustrating that this seems to be the only option. I have a good email service (migadu) but they don't provide a client. I love how their pricing model is based on emails sent/received, since it allows me to have as many users/domains/mailboxes I need

Migadu does have a web client (webmail.migadu.com). It is the barest of bare bones (certainly fewer features than Gmail or Fastmail), but does the job just fine for basic tasks, at least.

Yeah, I'm aware but did not consider it, for me being able to snooze-send emails as well as snooze received emails is very important (I'm an old Inbox user), so the bare client didn't pass the default test. It's also not amazing from the usability perspective, but it does the job for occasional usage.

I love Migadu and have no intention of dropping it, it's just frustrating that email clients come only bundled with email services with dumb pricing structure (really in 2024 I can only have 1 domain per user for my emails!? What if I have a work email and a personal one?)

I often create projects and want domains for those, yes it might end up with garbage and nothing out of it, but it's insane I have to pay some $5/month for an email account that will receive 1 email in its entire lifetime, it makes no sense.

With migadu I'm free to experiment, my cost is based on emails sent and received (an actual cost), not on my dummy accounts that I experiment with.

I can understand that frustration that webmail clients are currently very vendor specific. Though I'm also an old school user that switches among Outlook (Desktop [New], Mobile), Apple's Mail app, Thunderbird, and a few other clients based on several whims/current preferences. Migadu supports IMAP very well and I don't feel tied to a specific client and webmail is a "nice-to-have" for some edge cases, never my main client.

Off the top of my head, Outlook and Thunderbird both support snooze/delay/schedule-send in various ways. I don't know about "snooze received emails". (I was never an Inbox user.) (Outlook has Flagging for Follow-Up and you can set your own deadline?)

There's a lot more IMAP clients than just the ones I bounce among, too.

It used to be IMAP clients were where all the innovation was in email clients. It is a bit unfortunate Gmail changed the dynamic so much that people today think webmail clients should be the client-side innovators.

Well the problem is IMAP is a protocol and takes longer to change. I doubt IMAP has anything related to snoozing emails, isn't that the case?

I will try a few. My concern is having a shared space for contacts too (google has been my go-to area for contacts), since I need to use it for the phone.

I need a client for android and one for desktop, or a web client that works for both (but should support offline on mobile!)

It's not necessarily a feature that needs to be embedded in the protocol. There's lots of innovation clients (and servers) can do independently even with a shared protocol.

That said, I'm still curious if JMAP might ever get much traction outside of Fastmail and a few others. They make a good point that having an HTTP-capable and JSON speaking protocol opens up potential webmail client innovation in good ways. But I don't expect we'll see a much faster adoption curve than the currently slow trickle.

Agreed! And yes, JSON and http would simplify a lot of things.

I was considering writing my own email client for a while, but instead I pivoted to my own budgeting app for now. Will get to the email client if I ever have time, lol

I switched to Fastmail a couple of years ago and I'm generally really happy with it. But their android app is absolutely terrible. Like, unacceptably terrible. I've had to choose a third party email app. So far I've landed on Spark, which I'm also not thrilled with. I didn't realise how good the Gmail android app was until switching away.

Their Android App appears to be an online-only web-something in an app wrapper. As long as I have a signal, I've been pretty happy with it.

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