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Your comment is misleading. First, yes police showed up. Not first or last time.

Now, the salient question: were they charged and convicted with subversion, treason, or anything like a felony? Because that's what happen in HK.

If US kids trespassed, vandalized, assaulted the police well the US doesn't put up with either. And they are charged commensurately.

What I can tell you is the police and political class are not threatened by saying British, slavery or any other touch word from our past. You won't get a subversion conviction for that.

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Also some of the HK 47 got life. Not a like to like comparison at all.

Are you familiar with Georgia’s “Cop City”? This sort of thing does and has happened in the United States, and recently.

> Carr obtained indictments against 61 people, alleging violations of the state’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) law, over ongoing efforts to halt construction of Cop City. Indicted activists, including a protest observer, face steep penalties of up to 20 years in prison. Three bail fund organizers face additional money laundering charges, and five people also face state domestic terrorism charges. [0]

Is it ok because the prosecutor isn’t seeking life sentences? Do you contend that the activists are being treated fairly as one expects in a democratic society that values rule of law? Is it acceptable because America is 66% less repressive than China and against a narrower range of views (like socialism/communism, see Debs et al)? Have you really even interrogated your positions?

[0] https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/rico-and-domestic-terr...

> Is it ok because the prosecutor isn’t seeking life sentences?

Okay and comparable are planets part. The prosecutor is prosecuting. They aren’t a general opening machine gun fire at the protesters. The false equivalence is beyond ridiculous.

To find an American analog to the Tiananmen massacre, you have to go back to when we were fighting Indians. (The Ludlow massacre, in 1914, comes close in kind but not scale [1].)

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

This not being Like to like != I think America is Okay. The comparison was between the recent campus arrests and this. Most of the rest of your comment is just baseless speculation on my views

> were they charged and convicted with subversion, treason, or anything like a felony? Because that's what happen in HK.

Not yet. But it’s obtuse bordering on disingenuous to claim this isn’t on the table, given rhetoric from politicians (current and former). Or is eliminationist rhetoric and political repression okay as long as it isn’t done the way China does it?

Also, are you familiar what how the anti-Cop City protest movement has been treated in Georgia?

Honestly I want to know if you’re speaking from ignorance or malice.

As a American who's followed politics closely since 1980s, I'll bet I can level harder hitting more direct criticism of US politics bleeding into justice under the law than any outsider. Now is not that time. Yet, the prepondernce of immigration remains to the US and oecd. Not china, and many other places the US has substantial differences with. Eventually even the Chinese/hk populous who are in a sense more patient will get sick of things too. Let's not work in absolutes that US criticism means our house is 100% not glass. Instiutionally the US congress, gop, and even scotus have serious problems which are bad for everyone. Basically since newt gingrich was house speaker congress has been sucking it more and more. And that's from a person who until about 10 years ago was a straight line gop voter, the only one in my family.

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