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I wish they had a fully modular license where you just tick boxes (each box is a language) and the price changes proportionally, or at least there should be some intermediate options between the single-language IDEs and IDEA Ultimate, something like a "two language license" or "three language license".

Edit: is Fleet going to be that way perhaps? Not sure if pricing has been revealed yet.

I think Fleet aims to do this, its been in preview for 3 years now so I'm not sure what's left for them to actually release the thing. I'm looking forward to only having one IDE installed and loading/unloading language plugins as required, instead of having multiple heavy IDEs.

On top of that, the architecture of Fleet seems more amenable to remote development, like what VSCode has with their SSH plugin. In my experience the remote development feature in its current state has been a buggy mess.

> I think Fleet aims to do this, its been in preview for 3 years now so I'm not sure what's left for them to actually release the thing

I know this isn't _technically_ something that needs to happen before a stable release, but their Vim plugin is pretty abysmal and I'm fairly sure that I'm not the only one who that would be a deal-breaker for.

I find their IdeaVim plugin basic, but it complements the IDE very well. Felt it’s best compare to others like Vs Code’s.

What do you not like about it?

As far as I can tell, the Vim mode in Fleet isn't even able to save files yet, which I feel like is literally the first thing I learned to do in Vim. I'm not really sure what it's even supposed to be able to do yet because it's missing so much that it's not worth the time for me to invest in playing around with it.

Sorry, I didn't read carefully, not realizing you were referring to Fleet. I have not used it before.

IdeaVim in the pre-fleet Jetbrains IDE work well (enough) for me. Tried with WebStorm, RubyMine, AppCode. I think I wouldn't use them as much if IdeaVim didn't exist.

Yep, I like the Vim plugin in their IDEs, and I'd be thrilled if Fleet provided that level of functionality for its plugin, but unfortunately it's not clear when that's going to happen, if ever.

Who uses vim in 2024? :D

Tonnes of people, and what does the year have to do with it? Both vim and neovim are actively maintained, including new feature development.

I use vim bindings in vscode. You should try it!

We must run in different circles; I feel like at pretty much every job I've had, at least a quarter of the people on the team use Vim key bindings in their editor (even when it's not Vim), and it's not uncommon for it to be over half of the team.

Anyone who wants one of the best ways to manipulate text.

Vim Motions are really good. But you don't need to use Neovim (the best fork) to get them. Doom Emacs with evil-mode is just one of many good examples of this.

What's the state of Fleet at this moment? I haven't been following it since I've tried a few years ago and looked it was still at its early stage then.

Is JetBrains aiming to replace IntelliJ with it at some point or it would be an offering to complement or compete with the current offerings?

> I'm looking forward to only having one IDE installed and loading/unloading language plugins as required, instead of having multiple heavy IDEs.

Eclipse has been doing this for decades. But its eclipse so it’s not as polished as IntelliJ etc.

In line with this idea, at least the 'datagrip' part of Jetbrain can sometime be added as a paid plugin. In my case, I've worked for a long time with the "WebStorm + Datagrip plugin" combo when doing fullstack JS.

> except the IntelliJ Rust plugin is deprecated

This is incorrect.

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/22407-rust

The current Rust plugin is not deprecated. Perhaps you are confusing it with the old plugin (https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust?ref=chillfish...)

They're still making releases (latest 4 days ago) and there is no mention that the plugin is deprecated.

In fact: https://blog.jetbrains.com/rust/2024/05/21/rustrover-is-rele...

"IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate will include support for the Rust plugin for free. However, to use the plugin in CLion, you’ll need a commercial RustRover license or buy it separately. "

> so there's currently no single IDE that fully supports Rust + web projects

Wrong. Latest IntelliJ with Rust plugin and whatever web plugins you want works fine.

In addition, the Fleet editor supports this use case https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/

Fleet uses rust-analyzer for Rust support and not the jetbrains rust plugin that is used in RustRover and Intellij.

Considering the state Fleet is in you are much better off with VSCode for Rust + web dev support.

I can attest to that. Am using Ultimate and everything works and gets regular updates.

That includes Rust and web development.

I have been a happy paying customer for 10+ years.

You can always beta test their cutting edge releases and use those versions for free for 1 month. Don't whine about Jetbrains, they give you several options if you don't have the money to use their products.

why is this an issue?

if you want to use the software in this specialized combination, purchase it.

if you want to use the free/community editions, go ahead.

if you are a student or are using it for community/non-profit purposes JetBrains also has a pretty good licensing for students/education/non-profits.

aside from depriving a software maker from charging for their labour, while making profit yourself, what does this complaint actually achieve?

This seems to misrepresent the parent. Wasn’t the parent claim that you can’t pay for a seamless version even if you want to? They note that if a paid plugin was to be offered it would work for most ... I don’t know if they got the facts right but didn’t seem to be complaining about lack of free.

The parent post is mistaken

there is a perfectly fine rust plugin available with the intellij idea ultimate - provided you pay for intellij ultimate (and / or get it through education/nonprofit licensing)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40472463

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/22407-rust

That’s good to know, but doesn't change my comment substantively.

I have a C# backend with VueJS SPA using this backend. I just use Rider for all my development, having the backend and UI in the same project (in a monorepo). Having two IDEs would just make things less fluent IMHO.

Are you mixing .rs and .js(x)/.ts(x) files in the same project? Jetbrains doesn't support multiple languages in any version of their IDE well AFAIK. I daily drive PyCharm and Webstorm in parallel.

Worked fine for me with IntelliJ Ultimate - java, js, html, sql, etc in the same project

Can you use npm for your frontend and maven for your backend, all in the same project?

I think you can actually try to do it with separate module for each "subproject". But when I tried it, it was kind of buggy and very fragile. So in the end it was easier to just use two separate projects.

I have a personal project that uses npm for my frontend and Gradle for my backend and it just works in IntelliJ Ultimate. One module per subproject.

A good example of projects that do this are things built with Tauri.

I myself work on a web project with a Rust backend and a TS front end, all in the same repo.

That said I use VS: Code, not Jetbrains stuff. It handles this case just fine.

I think they are rethinking this in their new project, Fleet. But VS Code is so good at this that it sets a very high bar.

Privacy concerns mean Ill not be using VS Code any time soon. JetBrains gets my business for that reason alone

It does, IntelliJ ultimate has multiple language support for quite a while now.

No C++.

Yeah, contrary to the full open source Eclipse and Netbeans, JetBrains wants people to pay for InteliJ and Clion, when doing JNI development.

Android Studio has C++ support, because Google lacked a CDT counterpart when they went InteliJ, and had to do an agreement with JetBrains to include the support.

I have no problems mixing .jsx and .cs files in the same Rider project