Lately I was wondering if it was possible to move the entire population out of China’s neighborhood.
Let them have an empty island and preserve a free society that is an antithesis to their model.
Crazy and unrealistic. I know, I know…
Let them have an empty island and preserve a free society that is an antithesis to their model.
Crazy and unrealistic. I know, I know…
Why not officially rename the Republic of China (the current official name of Taiwan) to Taiwan, and make a big deal out of giving up any claims on China, so that the CCP saves face when making the practical decision of not invading?
Re evacuation: I guess many, many people will be evacuated in case of a war. But people will be dispersed like with the Ukraine refugees.
But let me dream on: Tasmania could work. It has 500k people and 25k sqm. Taiwan has 25 million people on 36k sqm.
You want to bring more suffering and misery to that part of the world?
This is imperialist thinking. Please try to understand the harm you are doing to the world by proferring this view, even in jest. The idea that you can just 'take' an island to solve some imperial problem is heinous.
If you can just 'take' Tasmania for the hell of it, why not just 'give' Taiwan to China, and end the issue entirely? (/s) By 'taking' Tasmania, you are behaving no better than the perceived view of China in 'taking' Taiwan.
Why not specify it was the British Empire and instead move the guilt to some vague collective "west", which is a relatively modern concept from the cold war, which didn't exist back then?
You haven't seen any "Western" leader try to justify Hitler's invasion of Poland, and the start of WW2, by blaming Poland and apologizing for Hitler, like Putin did... conveniently so, perhaps because of the role the USSR played in it? Which Russia likes to omit, you know, their alliance with Nazi Germany.. WW2 started in 1939, not in 1941 as Russia claims. Or maybe because Russia is now using the same false casus beli the Nazis used to invade Poland, so Putin needs to legitimize Hitler's claims and grievances?
Or perhaps China attempts to hide its own atrocities?
So that whole "imperialist thinking" propaganda logic seems very flawed, and more like an excuse the new autocratic regimes are using to expand their borders by force, and be themselves imperialistic.
The good whole "so only you could be imperialistic, and now we can't?! Hypocrisy!!!", disregarding that in their History, they were also imperialistic at some point too.
The world moved on in the meantime, you know, since the founding of the UN and such.
It's much easier to blame the autocracy's shortcomings on the success of others, by framing everything as "Western Imperialism", and the forced expansionism of autocracies as a "multipolar world".
Sure we do. All the time.
> WW2 started in 1939, not in 1941 as Russia claims.
Or it started in 1931 according to the chinese.
> So that whole "imperialist thinking" propaganda logic seems very flawed, and more like an excuse the new autocratic regimes are using to expand their borders by force, and be themselves imperialistic.
Because the west hasn't expanded by force?
> The world moved on in the meantime, you know, since the founding of the UN and such.
And that's why the western world hasn't invaded dozens of countries since. Right?
> and the forced expansionism of autocracies as a "multipolar world".
So you are defending the unipolar world? The same unipolar world maintained by force?
It's hard to take you seriously when your points defending 'the west' actuals exposes all the evil the west has done.
I gave you a few examples, please do share instances of rewriting the History of the "Western Worlds" - again, whatever that means. But I have a feeling you're soon going to find yourself in a pickle.
> Or it started in 1931 according to the chinese.
Rightfully so, the difference was that the Chinese weren't allies of Japan invading other countries... Like the USSR allied with Nazi Germany, and be an active part on the hostilities and genocide, right? It's like the same thing Germany denied WW2 ever happened.
> Because the west hasn't expanded by force?
When? Where? Who? Tell me a "Western Country" that expanded by Force since the founding of the UN - because, you know, that was kind of the point of it.
> And that's why the western world hasn't invaded dozens of countries since. Right?
Of course it has, or do you think just because of the founding of the UN countries got a green card to commit genocide and invade neighbors? Like Serbia, or Saddam's Iraq?
> So you are defending the unipolar world? The same unipolar world maintained by force?
Where did I say I defend a unipolar world? I'm saying the world is already multipolar - it's like all of a sudden the last 30+ years of global trade, alliances and investments never happened. It's especially funny coming from China, or from Russia who thrived with this multipolar world.
Was there another Germany at that time so you have to specify which Germany do you mean? I understand saying South Korea, because there are two.
Would you prefer that I used "German Reich" instead of "Nazi Germany", to be more accurate?
> Historical Germany name is Germany
Right, there was no such thing Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic, just "Germany"? Right?
Literally, two different countries, which were different from Nazi Germany, which was different from the German Empire. Yet to you, this is all the same.
I'm struggling with where you're trying to get to with this one.
Is it a new propaganda spin? The "Let's ignore History, and how things are called" because you're bothered by Historically referring to Nazi Germany as Nazi Germany? Like the Russian propaganda addressing British People as "Anglo-Saxons"?
I'm assuming your goal is to bring clarity to History, and not confusion right wink wink?
Well unlike you, I agree with the Historical designations, and it's important to bring clarity, so I see no problem in saying: the USSR was an ally of Nazi Germany.
Why not Japan, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, plenty of other that were different?
For people in Europe Germany was just Germany, they didn't know the word Nazi exists. It is only after WW2 German government coined a new name for it's country to blame everything that was done during WW2 on that other country.
It's not me who must use it, it's everyone but you.
And just because you're ignorant in this matter, you don't have to try to bring everyone down to that level.
Another basic example:
Imperial Russia =/= USSR =/= Russian Federation
Different regimes, different borders, different policies. That's how History works. It might not be convenient to you, and for your propaganda purposes, but it doesn't bend reality.
We know Russia likes to distance itself from their own atrocities, like Holodomor.
The difference is that Germany took all the load from Nazi Germany and it's out in the public for everyone to see.
Russia has been rewriting History so many times trying to cherry-pick the good parts and hide the bad parts, that Russian society at this point doesn't know if they miss the USSR or if they hate it for the misery it brought on them. They don't know if Stalin was good or bad, even though the regime is trying to rehabilitate him.
Why there is no Nazi Italy?
No, they claimed to be the Third Reich and had a lot more land, remember that?
We're talking about History here by the way, not what they claimed to be. Do you know what else Nazis claimed to be? A superior race. Yeah.
But at least you had the self-awareness to realize you were wrong all along.
> Why there is no Nazi Italy?
Because it is called Fascist Italy, or the Kingdom of Italy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Italy ), but I think you can find out why it's not called "Nazi Italy" if you make a little effort.
By the way, don't worry, I have the feeling Putin's Russia will be remembered in History as Putin's Russia, what it looks like to be the man responsible for the end of the Federation and the collapse of Russia, just to remain in power.
Putin's Russia is a good name.
And that's it's called Nazi Germany, we went full circle here.
> Putin's Russia is a good name.
Saddam's Iraq, Mao's China, all the names that brought misery and death onto themselves and others, with a complete disregard for human life, just to serve their own power.
Edit
Or a troll.
I would not mind having Taiwan as a neighbor.