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Those sanctions that do nothing for their alleged purpose (to make the war economically harder for the Russian government) yet disproportionately affect those people who can do absolutely nothing about them, right.

I say that a very disgruntled Russian who hasn't had a sane, predictable life since 2020.

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So it seems to work then? Get the population angry enough at their leaders to cause an uprise is part of the goal I guess.

This is based on the fundamentally wrong assumption that the government listens to their citizens.

Uprises can be and often are violent. The listening is not required after a coup.

And uprisings are usually started by the military. Oops.

> I say that a very disgruntled Russian who hasn't had a sane, predictable life since 2020.

Seems that it is has made it politically more difficult, if not economically so.

What’s your source on the sanctions doing nothing to make the war harder for Russia?

I’m asking because how on earth can you claim that? I’m close to the ecosystem involved and the sanctions work incredibly well. They’re not sufficient and there are bypasses but that doesn’t mean they don’t work.

They work incredibly well for drawing nigh the end of dollar as the reserve currency, and nothing else. More and more countries are divesting of it, because it's used as a political weapon.

Sanctions aren’t only USD based and you’re not providing any evidence for your claims.

> Those sanctions that do nothing for their alleged purpose (to make the war economically harder for the Russian government) yet disproportionately affect those people who can do absolutely nothing about them, right.

Sanctions work by reducing growth and the economy of its target—usually a pariah state—over time by reducing growth year over year, which compounds (negatively) over time to make the target less and less influential.

> I say that a very disgruntled Russian who hasn't had a sane, predictable life since 2020.

And the alternative to economic sanctions would be… ?

>who can do absolutely nothing about them

There is a _bit_ of hope you'll do something about it.

You seem really naive to think that this government has any feedback mechanisms whatsoever left.

> You seem really naive to think that this government has any feedback mechanisms whatsoever left.

The oligarchs could arrange to put something extra in the breakfast one day. Or there could be a chance meeting with a window.

Of course there's feedback mechanisms. You just don't want to use them for whatever reason.

What's funny is in the US, when even the slightest hint of that occurred, one side completely freaked out. Just imagine if those folks were armed, or say even 10% of the population were heavily armed and in support of that. It also probably doesn't help that the overwhelming majority of experienced combat veterans the US spent millions per troop training for the last 20 years would be on their side, not yours. That layers on top of their real world experience of bullets wizzing and cracking by, living in shit conditions, and holding their friends in their arms as they die.

You're a feeble Internet nerd whose position is an aberration of history.

I'm sure you'll selectively apply your morals rather than having enough intelligence to understand what you're advocating.

This is pretty reprehensible and you should be embarrassed.

Nobody cares if the Terrorist state of Russia implodes on itself, or what happens to its apathetic population. They had their chance for a different outcome decades ago, but chose this.

The one single issue is what happens to the nukes.

> Nobody cares ...

It's a shame you can't hear how pathetic you sound in your idealogical prison / echo chamber.

The price of energy would become unaffordable for all of Europe and spike across the globe. The additional pressure would create additional conflict and suffering for everyone.

I'm struggling to find any reason other than blind hatred for your genuinely stupid and brain dead position.

https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc

>The price of energy would become unaffordable for all of Europe and spike across the globe.

Nobody is scared of this Kremlin talking point either, the market would stabilize fine.

I'm happy to pay more in order to not fund the Russian terrorist mafia state.

Are you going to pay the additional energy costs for everyone else on Earth?

Once again, nobody cares. Russia isn't that important.

> for whatever reason

Like, uhhh, wanting to stay alive and not go to jail? Is that a good enough reason?

It depends.

Looking at Russian history for the last 200 years or so, your hoping for a historical first, unless you want to consider 1917

1917 could be considered comparatively recent if you compare that event to similar ones in other countries.

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