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There just seems to be so much gray area here. Where is the burden of proof? Can someone argue that the depiction is of a fictional person who just looks similar to Plaintiff? How similar is too similar? Who's the judge of similarity? What if the training data did not contain any pictures of Plaintiff and the results were just tuned until it looked like him/her? What if Plaintiff has a twin sibling or someone who looks just like him/her and that person consented? What a mess--who's going to litigate all of this?

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> Who's the judge of similarity?

The judge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

The justice system is a computer made out of humans executing written programs called laws. As we've seen from decades of computer vision research, writing out an image classifier in a finite set of symbols is intractable. So instead the justice system queries an oracle (a human) to do the image classification.

Maybe in the future there will be a way to compile a learned image classifier into a set of directions in English and we will have laws that are followed by pages of what is essentially a small artificial neural network represented as an English flowchart, but I doubt it, that sounds dumber than asking a person to do it. You just have to make sure you're picking the right person to do the deciding.

“It’s essential that the police and prosecutors are equipped with the training and tools required to rigorously enforce these laws in order to stop perpetrators from acting with impunity.”

We don't even have a tool that could reliably ID the subject of such a processed visual depiction.

There's so much gray area because some people desperately wants porn banned than abuses and harms punished, and clarifying gray areas all the way removes side effects on purely generative porn.

Personally I think head-swap porns should be handled with defamation logic than general anti-porn laws. I find it more likely that I would be disgusted by deepfake porn of mine if I were to become such public figure that warrants it, than appreciating it, but it feels weirder that local police would be deciding whether am I to like it or not.

This is not a blanket ban on generated porn.

I don’t feel like anything is implying similarity is sufficient to make an artwork criminal.

Although I might call out the opposite problem of making it a crime to request a sfw picture of a specific person and have the model generate something porny

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