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when did we decide that? I don't remember that. In fact I remember being vocally against it.

9/11 - patriot act, which has existed in one form or another ever since, along with countless others, and will exist in perpetuity until the end of time. Prism, warrenrtless wire taps, the room in att mirroring all their traffic for a three letter agency[0]…

at some point we decided all that was ok, either directly out of anger as we did after 9/11, or indirectly by not stopping them.

At some point we decided to elect people who would turn against us

At some point we decided we don’t care about right and wrong, for the people, we care about I’m right and you’re wrong, for our party.

0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

Like I said, I was not involved at all in bringing the patriot act into existence and no one gave feedback on it. And it looks like almost literally every single person who doesn't want it to be an existence has absolutely no say about whether it is still operational. So your reply is incorrect. if you tried to vote someone in who removed such things, your effort would be sabotaged and we have seen this multiple times. and it's obvious the so-called representatives know that we don't want it. So it is very clear that I am not even counterargued by your reply. do you have some attachment to believing that you're actually in control of your government right now? it's like people have lost their minds these days. Even the people who think they know what the hell they're talking about.

Nothing in my reply had anything to do with being in control of the government. It was actually the opposite of that.

no, not to my eyes. you said,

> at some point we decided all that was ok

> At some point we decided to elect people who would turn against us

> At some point we decided we don’t care about right and wrong,

All of those things are about no longer being in control, and they are not even necessarily true statements. Who is "we", exactly?

"we" would be every voting aged US citizen who isn't a felon. "we", yes, you, and me, allowed that to happen. You may have not wanted it, I may have not wanted it, but you, I, and every other person who didn't want it, failed to prevent it. Our inability to prevent something makes us just as guilty of our rights being taken away as those who took them, because our inaction told them it was ok. Bitching and moaning about something while still allowing it to happen isn't worth shit.

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