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The situation of Japan was obviously completely different, considering that it was an openly declared war against a nation that was actually capable of conquering its surrounding territory. Plus, the US had no interest in making Japan a part of its own territory. The nukes prevented a land invasion, which would've cost both sides millions of lives.

We have precedent from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, that the US would occupy the area and spend vast amounts of resources trying and failing to do precision strikes to take out the leadership, and then eventually give up and go back home.

If you've seen any of the images coming out of Gaza, you'd know that there isn't that much of a distinction between Israel using this AI and just bombing the shit out of everyone, which is why it's being suspected of being morality washing. They can just continue to bomb the shit out of everyone and claim to have blindly listened to the computer when questioned.

It's still a human strategic decision though: they could have created or configured the system to minimize collateral casualties. They apparently didn't.

You are wrong because one bad bomb that killed the 7 kitchen workers made world headlines. If they bombed the shit out of everyone, then there wouldn’t even be any kitchen workers going in. The fact that this war is going on for months and this one is the first that killed people who it shouldnt have would tell you otherwise. Also a big difference is in the other wars you mentioned, the fighters wouldn’t disguise themselves as civilians, use hospitals and civilians as shields did they?

I am not sure how anyone could possibly be expected to take this comment seriously. “This one is the first that killed people who it shouldn’t”.

It had to be.. week 1? that they bombed a children’s hospital. They even shot a few of their own who were escaping captivity.

I've been seeing headlines and even some footage near constantly since this latest escalation of Israel killing civilians. There are thousands of images of dense housing complexes, hospitals etc being bombed. Anyone with basic common sense can tell that they've killed plenty of civilians in those, even if we accept their claims that they were targeting terrorists (which this system gives plausible deniability for, they can just label any target it designates as a terrorist, regardless of reality).

> this one is the first that killed people who it shouldnt have would tell you otherwise

I honestly can't tell if you're being ironic or not.

Do you believe these were the first aid workers who were killed?

Three "bad" missiles over a five minute period. The hit on the WCK convoy killed the latest 7 out of over 200 aid workers who have been killed in Gaza since this latest war began.

Yes, we Americans committed many atrocities in our many wars and we will absolutely do so in the future. Please learn from us instead of following our path.

They are not doing the same as America are they? They are not perfect but it just depends who you trust as a source in this war. All the stats either come from Hamas or IDF. People choose to believe the Hamas statistics all day and take a blind eye to what IDF is doing. Also big contrast is they are defending themselves. Im not talking only about Oct 7. Even before that Hamas sent bombs for many years before that. Imagine going to work and seeing bombs above ur head and all the world saying it is what it is you can’t attack them back or do anything about it.

>>Also big contrast is they are defending themselves.

Yes, I'm sure Israel shooting all of those kids in Gaza is just self defense - after all, they can't grow up to become terrorists if they are dead already.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/23/israel...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestini...

Like, I know this is an extreme example, but this isn't anywhere near as black and white as you present. Israel has done a lot of shit to Gaza over many many many decades, and while it doesn't justify terrorist acts towards Israel, many people could argue that Palestinians are also defending themselves in many ways.

Your source is Tehran Times. Have you considered that Iran is the one financing this war and wanting this war and you are quoting it as a reputable source? Also I don’t wanna see any child harmed in any way, and you have to consider the Hamas terrorists are using them as meat shields. The way I see it, the longer the terrorists have power, the more children they are going to harm, Palestinian and Israeli children alike.

Sorry, I grabbed the first link for it from google, because I read this story before and I didn't have the original article, here's where I read it first:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestini...

I'll replace the tehran times link now.

War crimes do not justify war crimes.

Hamas literally asked for investigation by independent international organizations. Israel refused. Tells all what needs to be said about that illegal terrorist rogue state that it Israel.

"But what about..."

Your comment is basically unrelated to the parent comment. Parent said nothing about any specific country, just that it is unethical to use AI to decide who to kill.

USA bad. Yes, yes.

My argument is AI not bad, AI help minimize civilian casualties even in such difficult grounds.

AI has provided the IDF with a huge list of potential enemy combatants. Then the IDF applies their own thinking re acceptability of related civilian casualties, far higher than "the norm" (ugh). Together, mass slaughter made easy. So no, I don't believe that AI is "minimising civilian casualties".

>My argument is AI not bad, AI help minimize civilian casualties even in such difficult grounds.

That could be an interesting discussion!

However, your argument actually appears to be "USA did shitty things". And you are presenting it in a way that looks almost designed to incite a flame-war, between this comment and your other one.

But they did bomb the shit out of everyone and everything. Over 32000 humans were killed, most of them were women and children. And they're starving the rest of the population, stopping aid from entering, and have killing aid workers.

But you consider this good, so it makes me wonder how people like you sleep at night after supporting the death and starvation of an entire population.

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