Coronary heart disease is extremely prevalent in India, which has a very large number of vegetarians and an extremely low population of beef eaters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheroma
> The material consists of mostly macrophage cells,[3][4] or debris, containing lipids, calcium and a variable amount of fibrous connective tissue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis
> Risk factors include abnormal cholesterol levels, elevated levels of inflammatory biomarkers,[11] high blood pressure, diabetes, smoking (both active and passive smoking), obesity, genetic factors, family history, lifestyle habits, and an unhealthy diet.[4] Plaque is made up of fat, cholesterol, calcium, and other substances found in the blood.[9]
If the above is true, then are the aforementioned lipids, cholesterol, and fat not affected by fat consumption, specifically saturated fat?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/522015/time-spent-sports...
But during those decades, food became relatively cheap, especially carbs and sat fats, and Indian food is loaded with sugar/oil/cream/etc. It’s delicious, and do-able once in a while, especially if you have to sit around without air conditioning.
But start eating all those sweets and fried foods every other day while sitting in air conditioned offices and cars, and no amount of exercise is going to help.
Source: am Indian
It is not false.
In most situations we either just simply can't collect data for a long enough period of time, struggle with people simply having different micro-biomes, or that when you make a change it often also has other unrelated changes that may be the actual cause instead of the change itself.
For example, if you eat less meat you will need to get your nutrients from other sources. Those other sources may be more veggies, beans, etc. So it may not necessarily be related to meat on its own but because of the additional other things. That is something that you could get more of while still eating meat.
If we want to have a moral conversation about eating meat, sure. But trying to bring up flawed studies can undermine your entire argument and make people less inclined to engage on the other conversations since you started your argument from a flawed place in the first place.
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Another example that often comes up, if someone is choosing to make healthier options with their food they may likely also be trying to be more active. Those 2 things are not necessarily related but are often done at the same time. How do you actually outline which of the 2 is actually benefiting the person?
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Going further, look at just how easy it is for the food industry to get a study to show what they want, to support that their supplements or whatever other product is, is actually good for you.
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I find it quite interesting that in recent comments you complained about other studies being focused on Mice (and seemingly implying that it weakens their argument) and here you are citing a study being done on Mice without calling that out specifically?
The comment that I was responding to makes it sound like keto acidosis is an inevitable outcome in normal healthy people - "over time", which it certainly isn't. It may be an inevitable outcome in rats.
I'm not going to comment on the preprint because I don't care enough to go over it again. I don't think this invalidates all studies involving mice or rats.
For the record I eat chicken and fish. I'm not trying to start a moral argument.
But since all we care about is maximise the output and minimise the cost its a losing battle.
And this isn't limited to meat. Picking up food in the wild can be a very risky proposition. Even if you know what mushrooms are safe, good luck. Find some water? How long has it been sitting there?
Simply put, if you are hunting for things to scare you at the microscopic level, you don't have to hunt far. No matter what you eat, at a general level.
Mice typically don’t eat meat… why would we expect their response to meat to be at all related to ours?
This silencing you are speaking of is imo a product of a toxic discourse culture.
If you fed a human a mouse diet would you then conclude that it’s not healthy for mice because of what it did to humans?
I’m sorry, this is just completely illogical.