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Or maybe they just believe in teaching their kids the value of hard work and discipline and don't want them on their phones all day.

Are you arguing in bad faith or are you just ignorant?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-lab...

The value of hard work is something we need to teach CEOs https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2021/

I would love to see CEOs work my teenage summer job in my dad's rigging business. In the hot summer, I would load and unload oil and dirt-covered blocking, chains, and jacks and move molding machines in 90F factories with steel rollers and a forklift. You need to stay alert to keep your toes and fingers.

I grew up with adults missing body parts from industrial accidents through "hard work."

When a CEO loses a hand or an eye because of a bad deal, I'll consider they might know what hard work is.

I imagine it's pretty difficult for a teen to find time to spend on their phones when they're spending all of their time raising children of their own and working jobs that don't pay a living wage.

Yea no. They are using 12 year olds in incredibly dangerous manufacturing sectors. Since they don't want to pay higher wages in a competitive labor market, they instead start illegally using under-age labor, and throwing lobbying money at lawmakers so they can move on to legally hire underage kids.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiar...

They don't get to go to school. They get to work 9 hour shifts instead. We all know why these laws need to exist, and attempting to role them back is the result of pure greed.

https://marshfieldresearch.org/Media/Default/NFMC/National%2...

This is a pretty uncharitable and patently ridiculous view of conservatives in the American south. Where is the evidence that these GOP people need all the youth to be uneducated and pregnant? A lot if these people probably understand the real world a lot better than. This is the typical leftist elitist condescension that is unhelpful and belies the reality of what happens when the left actually gets the policies they vote for.

Surely there must be some other reason why red states have the highest rates of teen pregnancies. It can't possibly be the conservative policies.

Leftist states like California, Illinois, and Washington have a teen birth rate approximately double that of notoriously libertarian New Hampshire. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbi...

West Virginia, the most reliably conservative state in the nation, has a lower teen birth rate than Kentucky, which is distinctly more purple and has a center-left Democrat as the governor.

DC is not a state, but is the polar opposite of WV politically, yet one source claims DC has the 13th highest teen birth rate in the nation. https://www.prb.org/resources/dcs-teenage-moms-need-their-ow...

I think the situation is much more complicated than you suggest.

I suppose it all depends on that 'one source' and how much you wish to move the goal posts.

WV is in the top 10 for highest rates of teen birth. But that's according to the CDC. Perhaps they are just another viciim of the leftist agenda.

Yes, WV is in the top ten. But Utah is near the bottom. Again, you're way oversimplifying.

And what's more interesting is that states with conservative sex education approaches is quite a bit different than overall voting patterns. Many abstinence-stressed states tend to be liberal in other respects. And many abstinence-stressed states have low teen birth rates. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/29/17/12868888-6972237-...

(Also, WV's teen birth rate is lower than NY's was in 2005. Is WV more liberal than NY was in 2005?)

That's a very lazy reply.

The person you're responding to laid out a bunch of examples of red states having less of an issue than blue states and you reply with "Perhaps they are just another viciim of the leftist agenda."

If you're not interested in engaging in a more intellectual manner, maybe HN isn't the right place for you?

Perhaps that's true (I don't know if it is or not). But even if their policies are bad, it does not necessarily mean they're part of a conspiracy to intentionally harm people, as opposed to stemming from genuine (but misguided) convictions.

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