Imagine how much time will be wasted to comply with crazy demands like making the Photos app uninstallable which help basically nobody.
like having a demo version of Norton installed on your new PC.
or having Facebook OEM installed with no way to remove it?
you are the first one I have ever heard of, who actively encourages and enjoys that.
impressive.
And just for both of you, you can indeed tap and hold the Photos app and then choose “Remove Application”. I’d be surprised if this did anything beyond hiding the app, and also the Photos app is completely innocuous imo.
Norton preinstalled on a Windows XP machine is more like if your phone came with Weather Underground preinstalled.
and luckily we don't govern by My Opinion™.
It is also ironic because the EU-mandated browser choice screen offers users such stalwart top browsers such as "Browser" by Maple Media Apps, LLC. a holding company for category leading apps, "Web@Work", and "You.com AI Search and Browse". Bloatware lovers rejoice!
I understand that the original commenter might not have thought thiur argument through and the implications of it. That is fair, that is why we debate.
> Be kind. Don’t be snarky. Converse curiously.
> Please respond to the strongest possible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that’s easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
> Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
> Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
It is fair you didn't like my comment, and it might have been outside of the community guidelines. But you calling that out is simply just noise and equally outside the community guidelines. But you insist on keeping ruminating and circling around it. That is absolutely not approrpiate.
if I want to loose weight but cannot remove the chocolate from my fridge I am at the mercy of my supplier of fridges. it is the same here.
if I don't want to spend time on Facebook, gambling, etc. then I should be able to clear away these types of apps from my system.
Like putting the chocolate underneath the broccolis in the vegetable container?
You might argue that the photos app is required for normal functioning. And I would generally agree with you. However, you could use the same argument for a browser, but bundling Safari per default does not fly anymore.
The time will show what we need to do. So far, IMHO, regulators are able to manage these nuances.
Are we referring to the same Apple company right now?
Not on Apple's laptops. They also markup hundreds of dollars for +8 GB of RAM, which probably costs them 10-20 USD.
If there’s one company that DOESN’T bloat your computing device with worthless junk from third parties, it’s Apple.
This is HN and surveillance capitalism rules the internet, of course we will see commenters here whose wealth depend on it.
Now I will garrison for the next brigade... :^)
As you may have already read in my comment, I'm asking why it wasn't uninstallable to begin with.
Fortunately there are other reasons why a business may be forced to do something, and not allowed to be the sole judge/jury/executioner.
One of those is anti-trust action - something that greatly benefits humanity as a whole, even though the alternative may (or may not) be cheaper for the business.
Other examples are employee protections, consumer protections, constitutional amendments etc.
Look at the recent bottle cap directive for a more insane example. There are sadly hundreds of such cases at this point and the number of rules keeps growing year by year. Doing business in the EU will become more and more difficult and especially the cost for starting a new business is growing massively because of what needs to get invested in compliance before you even get started. This will be devastating for innovation and their economy as a whole.
OK, but we can vote government out at regular intervals, meanwhile we're supposed to just accept anything corporations do because... they're not government? Cherry picking and misrepresenting EU regulations doesn't make your argument any clearer.
But where your argument really fails is that you don't really have one beyond ideological claptrap, taken solely on faith, or perhaps with specious arguments about out of control government and how markets and corporations are innately good and cannot be "interfered" with, lest the economy and "innovation" collapse. Please give us all a break.
Business don't get started and fail not because of government regulation, but because of huge corporations that crush competition, withhold access, promote incompatibility, etc. They use their size to ignore regulation and warp markets to their benefit.
Of course not all corporations are bad but some are, and that's why we have regulations.
seriously though, it never ceases to amaze me the level people repeat corporate propaganda and conflate corporate success with their own self-worth. These companies literally spend billions in lobbying the government to "influence" their decisions and run rigorous ad campaigns that smear any sentiment that isn't vehemently pro-billionaire, pro-corpoate, pro big-tech etc... so its not all that surprising that people fall for it but it is truly astounding.
I think that's what happens when you become a stockholder.
Photos also has an “Uninstall” button. Won’t feel like trying out what that does.
Or you can install a completely alternative app to manage your photos.
The only thing iOS does in that case is provide the “Album” functionality.